The 'divorce' was finalized March 20, 1964:
THE MEMO IS DATED APRIL 28, 1964:
NO ONE HAS MISTAKEN THE PHILIPPINES FOR INDONESIA. THE WIFE IN THE PHILIPPINES WAS NOT STANLEY ANN DUNHAM.
Posted on 05/12/2011 10:27:35 AM PDT by howardl
Why does BHO's official biography state: "His mother, Ann Dunham, was born and raised in small-town Kansas. After her family moved to the Hawaiian Islands, she met Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan scholarship student enrolled at the University of Hawaii. The two married in 1959, and on August 4, 1961 ...."
Wikipedia says that Stanley Ann graduated from highschool in Washington state in 1960, and moved to Hawaii and started college that fall, where she met BHO senior. "Dunham and Obama Sr. were married on the Hawaiian island of Maui on February 2, 1961, despite parental opposition from both families. Dunham was three months pregnant at the time of her marriage."
Yes, he did. For all I know to the contrary, if you notified the authorities in time, that was true about tribal marriage.
Odd, isn’t it?
Look, bigamy was a criminal offence in the UK and Kenya. Barack Obama, Sr, wasn’t charged with bigamy by either the British or the Kenyans. He wasn’t charged with bigamy by the INS either. It’s quite clear that both the UK and the USA thought he was “a slippery customer”. In other words they thought he was a bigamist. But they didn’t charge him with it. The only possible reason for that was that they couldn’t prove it in court.
I think it's a mistake to use the term 'bigamy' in relation to a muslim family. And they were and still are muslims. Onyango Obama had a number of wives concurrently. There was Akumu, the mother of Barak Hussein Obama, who had three children...and when she 'ran away to Tanzania' or died, according to which report you read, Sarah, known as 'granny Sarah' took over her children, to raise with her own by Onyango.
It’s happened before and it will happen again.
That's islam. The government of Kenya could hardly prevent a muslim family from following their 'religion' - any muslim 'marriages' between Onyango and his various wives would hardly have been conducted as civil ceremonies or in a church! In other words, no records.
That isn’t nonsense.
Agreed, simply islamic.
IMHO, the marriage to Stanley Ann Dunham was bogus and that is also a criminal offence. But again they couldn’t prove it, or they didn’t want to try, or they didn’t care. I don’t know which it was.
And just as Onyango the father, had multiply wives, polygamy as per islam, so might Barak Hussein Obama have had an islamic marriage to Kezia. He had a 'wife' in Kenya, so what? In his mind, he was allowed FOUR. If there was a marriage to anyone in Hawaii, it would be his FIRST, according to OUR laws.
That isn’t nonsense either.
Correct. Many muslim men come to Western countries and have multiple 'wives' - they live in the same house, raise lots of children, yet are not guilty of bigamy.
If you say someone committed bigamy you have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. No one has. It’s a moral certainty but not a legal one.
Muslims don't commit bigamy in that sense. It's polygamy by consent...for want of a better description
As for the British being interested in him, they’d be interested in the son of an Al Quaida, or Taliban member, that’s a racing certainty. They’d jailed his father on terrorism charges in 1949, so they’d have seen him in the same light. Doesn’t matter whether his father was guilty or not, or whether I think it was right to jail Kenyan nationalists or not.
Onyango Obama was jailed for two years from 1949 iirc. His eldest son, who attended the same school as Barak, was two years older. He was the son of Onyango and Sarah. He attended the school at Maseno under the name of Joseph. His arabic name was YUSUF. He left the school two years before Barak, who left in 1953. Yusuf left the school 'for unexplained reasons' according to the teacher. So Yusuf left in 1951, the same year as his father was released from jail. Of course the authorities would have been keeping an eye on them! There was a State of Emergency in force in Kenya from 1952 until 1959.
No nonsense in that view.
It's never nonsense to ask questions, IMO.
The entire Kenya family background story is open to question IMO. When 'granny' Sarah tells the children of Kezia, NONE OF YOU ARE HIS CHILDREN - why was that mentioned in 'Dreams' unless that matter was common knowledge in the village, and in surrounding villages also? Was it thought better to deal with this issue in 'Dreams' rather than allow it to surface later? They tried to make it seem as if Sarah was jealous that HER CHILDREN did not inherit.
But it was HER son YUSUF who was the eldest, and by custom, it was her son who had already inherited the land of Onyango Obama.
All that MARK stood to inherit, was the personal possessions of Barak Hussein Obama.
There remains a doubt in my mind, as a result...if Kezia was really a 'wife' of Barak Hussein Obama, for she might just as well have been married to YUSUF. And the subsequent children we are led to believe were fathered by Barak on his return to Kenya, were the children of Kezia and Yusuf.
I see nothing wrong with asking questions.
Ping for later reading.
Kenyan Law allows three kinds of marriage.
Tribal polygamy.
Moslem polygamy.
Statutory monogamous marriage.
It doesn’t allow a mixture of more than one kind of marriage. It treats that as bigamy. Has done since 1902.
The marriage to Kezia seems to have been tribal.
Since he married Stanley Ann in Hawaii, I’d assume that was statutory but bogus.
Since Ruth was Jewish and her sons inherited and Kezia’s and Stanley Ann’s kids didn’t I’d assume that marriage was statutory too. Her son, Mark, is Jewish.
I know Barack, Sr, was Islamic but I’m pretty sure none of his marriages were.
There is official paperwork for Islamic marriage in Kenya.
All I’m sure about with Kezia is that she’s not a very reliable witness because she’s given more than one version of her story to the British papers and various interviewers.
You did know she lives in Bracknell, just outside London, right?
You could be right about Yusuf too.
The 'divorce' was finalized March 20, 1964:
THE MEMO IS DATED APRIL 28, 1964:
NO ONE HAS MISTAKEN THE PHILIPPINES FOR INDONESIA. THE WIFE IN THE PHILIPPINES WAS NOT STANLEY ANN DUNHAM.
You could well be right.
Then again, did he even know the divorce had been finalised, or care?
Islam allows 4 wives. I met a tribal polygamist once with 23 wives. He wasn’t from Kenya though, he was from Zambia, or Zimbabwe.
With Barack Obama, Sr, all bets are probably off, if he could get away with it.
I fail to see what Ruth being Jewish has to do with anything. If she is. We have been unable to find anything on her background. Where did she come from? Only Mark inherited. By the time the kenyan was killed, the mythical 'David' had been killed in a mythical 'motor-cycle accident'
And yes, we are aware of where Kezia lives. One thing you need to learn to do, is provide SOURCES with your comments.
OK, fair dos. I could well be wrong. Kamerad!
Was it the same under the British?
And does that allow mix and match even today?
Depends on how you read it.
But my hat is off to you, Brown Deer! I live and learn.
Her family were Lithuanian Jewish naturalized US citizens. I think they lived in New York.
Mark has just been in Israel, apparently seeing the Chief Rabbi, I’d guess that says his mother is Jewish.
Check the INS file. It mentions them, I think.
As for where I read about Mark in Israel, it was in yesterday’s paper but I can’t remember which one. I read several and it is bin collection today.
So, David was dead already. OK!
It's quite possible, what I am trying to tell you is, there is NOTHING DOCUMENTED.
Thank you.
I learned a lot. Especially from Brown Deer, who taught me Kenya does not punish bigamists. I’ll remember that.
Cheerio for now, maybe forever.
Oh yeah, and God Bless you all.
The nonsense is implying British Foreign Office would be after Obama,sr in 1961 for bigamy, and inferring that somehow the British Foreign Offcie would be harboring a nagging grudge to snatch Obama,sr up in 1961 in a fashion smilar to how the grandafther was treated in the midst of his outright revolutiona works. Kenya was already under Kenyan control as the Independence was being finalized. The British Foreign Office was probably not even a presence in local governmental affairs in large cities by 1961. We’ve had too many stealth axelgreasy dissemblers at FR over the last two years to accpet this noob’s racial undertones meant to lend credulity to his/her/its fanciful oblique defense of the barry bassturd narreatives. Misdirection isn’t always an obvious move.
He’s said his goodbyes...I think he just wanted to make a big splash on a page. I took the opportunity to fill in a few blanks for freepers, that’s all.
Undertones of abundant intolerance noted.
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