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Former Canadian Defense Minister Says Alien Technology May Save Earth
All Headline News ^ | March 1, 2007 | Shaveta Bansal

Posted on 03/02/2007 3:40:30 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182

Ottawa, Canada (AHN) - A former Canadian defense minister is demanding that world governments disclose alien technology that could be used to solve the problem of climate change, a local newspaper has said. Hellyer, who served as defense minister in former prime minister Lester Pearson's cabinet in 1963, says knowing the fuel technology used by alleged aliens for driving their saucers or UFOs could eliminate the burning of fossil fuels thus saving the planet from the perils of climate change.

"I would like to see what (alien) technology there might be that could eliminate the burning of fossil fuels within a generation ... that could be a way to save our planet," the 83-year-old Hellyer, a public UFO advocate since 2005, told the Ottawa Citizen.

Hellyer said the governments should come forward and disclose the alien technology obtained during alleged UFO crashes. His appeal was in reference to the mysterious 1947 incident in Roswell, New Mexico, when the military officials declared having recovered a crashed "flying disc," a statement that was later annulled.

"We need to persuade governments to come clean on what they know. Some of us suspect they know quite a lot, and it might be enough to save our planet if applied quickly enough," he told the paper........"

(Excerpt) Read more at allheadlinenews.com ...


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I saw this reported on Fox and found this article. Is is a bit scary that this is a former Canadian defense minister, but it is also funny!
1 posted on 03/02/2007 3:40:32 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Aliens-creatures from out of space?


2 posted on 03/02/2007 3:43:20 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (] Tagline Under Construction [)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

this guy is a kick..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1528892/posts


3 posted on 03/02/2007 3:43:57 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"The secret is getting across the border. then picking the fruits and vegatables. Then pretending to get hurt. then sponging off Americans for the rest of your life!"
4 posted on 03/02/2007 3:44:28 PM PST by Bommer (Global Warming: The only warming phenomena that occurs in the Summer and ends in the Winter!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Yep. A typical example of a Canadian Looney.


5 posted on 03/02/2007 3:47:41 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"Alien technology"

A Yucatan Bed and Breakfast Inn


6 posted on 03/02/2007 3:47:48 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (] Tagline Under Construction [)
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To: xcamel
"A former Canadian Minister of Defence and Deputy Prime Minister under Pierre Trudeau....."

Well hell! Thanks for the Link. I did not get the Trudeau link. A flake from a flakes administration!

7 posted on 03/02/2007 3:48:05 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Makes more sense than ethanol.


8 posted on 03/02/2007 3:48:57 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Operation Backstep
9 posted on 03/02/2007 3:52:49 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"Woke up this morning with light in my eyes
And then realized, it was still dark outside...


10 posted on 03/02/2007 3:55:06 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Anti-Bubba182

The article does not mention his party affiliation and yes he is a Liberal.


11 posted on 03/02/2007 3:56:14 PM PST by Kenny500c
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Aliens, huh? Better ease up on the beer, eh?

12 posted on 03/02/2007 4:00:14 PM PST by Darth Republican
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Admin Moderator

1. It appears that you did not search to see if the thread had been posted. The earlier thread is here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1793302/posts?page=73#73

2. The Defense Minister is highly thought of and did his homework. Doing one's homework before posting and pontificating is to be admired. Try it. It could become a habit.

3. There are a host of links and even a lot of good videos listed in the earlier thread. They might increase the evident level of awareness and knowledge on the topic probably 100's of thousands of percent.

4. It is a long FR tradition to mock and make jokes on the topic. It's probably a good idea to do a lot of that. The chances of getting away with that are going to be decreasing markedly in the next several months to few years as the phenomena explode more and more overtly onto the world stage.

5. More than 80% of the USA populace are convinced of the reality of such things as well as of the government coverup. It's OK to be in the mocking minority. But the minority is shrinking so please be sure to get as many licks in as possible.


13 posted on 03/02/2007 4:12:24 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

At the risk of being categorized with the UFO groupies, I will say that from what I know, there is an amazing amount of information and material on UFOs that has not only been kept quiet by the government, it probably constitutes an even greater threat to the national security than anything al Qaeda can throw at us.

I don't say that lightly. I strongly recommend two books for anyone wanting to read scholarly efforts on the whole UFO/abduction phenomena:

'The Threat' - by Professor David Jacobs, Temple University.

'Top Secret Majic' - Stanton T. Friedman

It is certainly easier to dismiss the entire UFO issue with jokes, ridicule, mockery, etc., but the fact remains that there IS an unexplained phenomena that has been taking place for decades, and while it has spawned endless conspiracy theories, many of them nutty as a fruitcake, there are still unanswered questions and only our government can provide the answers to those questions.

I think we have a right to know one way or the other.


14 posted on 03/02/2007 4:19:44 PM PST by mkjessup (My mechanic said "I can't fix your brakes, so I made your horn louder" - Stephen Wright)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Hellyer is a stone cold liberal socialist whacko, who worked with Trudeau to amalgamate the Canadian Navy, Air Farce, and Army into one big conglomerate called the Canadian Armed Forces. Then having comletely destroyed meaningful connections to the history of these forces, they implemented a bi-lingual policy where promotion was predicated on speaking both official languages: French and English.

THe man is not only a political haridan to Canadian Consewrvatives, he is nuttier than a 5 year old fruitcake without rum sauce.

But he is right, when the liberals can't deliver a viable energy policy to fit with their coming Garden of Eden Utopia,preached to all Canadians along with bilingualism, then the aliens will come and bail the liberals out. I suppose the aliens will be bilingual too.

Reminds me of the Pacific cargo cults.

15 posted on 03/02/2007 4:20:31 PM PST by Candor7
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To: mkjessup
I agree with the scolarly approach to the phenomenon of UFOs. After all, there is a phenomenon to be scientifically examined. But I do not believe that the phenomenon and politics are quite ready to be mixed: Poltics ( power) and Religion ( faith in UFOs) make very poor companions at the horse track. That horse aint gonna fly.

I would be more interested if Helleyer were to disclose anything he knew about the phenomenon.

16 posted on 03/02/2007 4:24:23 PM PST by Candor7
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To: Quix
Search by this title, "Former Canadian Defense Minister Says Alien Technology May Save Earth" yields no duplicates. The same subject does not constitute a duplicate.

You should have done your homework before posting.

AND you are taking this senile whackjob seriously, Lol!

17 posted on 03/02/2007 4:29:29 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Candor7
I would be more interested if Helleyer were to disclose anything he knew about the phenomenon.

Maybe he has disclosed all he knows.

18 posted on 03/02/2007 4:29:42 PM PST by bkepley
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To: Quix
The chances of getting away with that are going to be decreasing markedly in the next several months to few years as the phenomena explode more and more overtly onto the world stage.

er..come again?

19 posted on 03/02/2007 4:31:04 PM PST by bkepley
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To: mkjessup

Excellent points.

Thanks.


20 posted on 03/02/2007 4:32:32 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: Candor7

None of us are nominating him for sainthood.

Nevertheless, quite a number of folks respect somethings about him--including some conservative military folks in our armed forces.

He has at least had some connections worth some interest, if not respect.

And, he has taken a courageous stand worth some consideration.


21 posted on 03/02/2007 4:34:21 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: Darth Republican
Aliens, huh? Better ease up on the beer, eh?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

STFU and hand me a Molsens , you hoser!

Lets watch TV, eh?

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22 posted on 03/02/2007 4:35:39 PM PST by Candor7
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To: mkjessup

Those books and the UFO supression belief are nuts. The government leaks like a sieve! There is not a chance that something like this could be kept secret for any long length of time.


23 posted on 03/02/2007 4:35:55 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Those books and the UFO supression belief are nuts. The government leaks like a sieve! There is not a chance that something like this could be kept secret for any long length of time.

A voice of sanity!

Pretty much could be said about most conspiracy theories.

24 posted on 03/02/2007 4:41:35 PM PST by LibKill (ENOUGH! Take the warning labels off everything and let Saint Darwin do his job.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

a.) Have you read those books?

b.) You guarantee the government can't keep a secret like that?


25 posted on 03/02/2007 4:46:51 PM PST by mkjessup (My mechanic said "I can't fix your brakes, so I made your horn louder" - Stephen Wright)
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To: LibKill

Isn't it wild that anybody that buys this stuff?


26 posted on 03/02/2007 4:47:48 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Quix
Perhaps I am wrong in treating Hellyer's public statements on energy as a political statement designed to stem the tide of Conservative popularity in Canada.

Thats the context in which I regard Mr. Hellyer, politics. I am sure around the local golf course and in the various pubs of his native soil, he is a fine man, worthy of spiritual appreciation.

As far as the CAF goes though, he was instrumental in causing Canada to become one of the most militarily retarded nations in the Western hemisphere.

Since I am Canadian and lived through his administrative rule, under which the Scottish Regiments, like the Royal Highland Regiment of Canada ( Blackwatch) were taken off line, into puny reserve status, I regard him with particularly political loathing.

27 posted on 03/02/2007 4:49:09 PM PST by Candor7
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"A former Canadian defense minister is demanding that world governments disclose alien technology that could be used to solve the problem of climate change"

Well if he's talking about alien technology from our government it would be a pair of sneakers and a handwritten map of the US southern border,but I don't get how that's going to solve climate change ???


28 posted on 03/02/2007 4:52:22 PM PST by Obie Wan
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Isn't it wild that anybody that buys this stuff?

Some, not totally.

The real world is so crazy and unpredictable that it is very easy to seize a somewhat plausible 'explanation'.

And I don't know everything, sometimes I think I don't know anything.

29 posted on 03/02/2007 4:54:58 PM PST by LibKill (ENOUGH! Take the warning labels off everything and let Saint Darwin do his job.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I thought there was a meeting of international leaders at SG-1 headquarters a few years ago. It was all worked out then. Even the Chi-Comms were on board. Of course, we had to give the Russians ther own SG team.


30 posted on 03/02/2007 4:56:32 PM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Quix
It is the height of intellectual laziness to completely dismiss what has been fully established as a social/cultural phenomenon not only in North America, but throughout the world.

It is far too easy to label anyone expressing an interest in UFOs as a 'nut', because it requires far more effort to actually debunk and prove as wrong the thousands and thousands of UFO incidents that have been taking place at an ever increasing pace since World War II. It is easier for skeptics to just engage in ridicule, rather than to actually attempt to disprove a phenomenon that cannot be readily explained.

There have been years where the number of sightings of such phenomena have slacked off, but the one thing that has NEVER happened is a wholesale lack of sightings.

For example, consider the recent UFO sighting at Chicago O'Hare, that isn't a case of drunken hillbillies mistaking the moon for a flying saucer, or 'ball lightning', that was a case of airline professionals witnessing a disc shaped object hovering over the 'C' concourse at O'Hare. Despite the obligatory FAA denials that anything out of the usual occurred, the number of witnesses defy the usual handy explanations of 'swamp gas', a 'weather phenomenon', or a 'mass hallucination'.

Now somebody whose mind is already made up, who fears looking into something that might have the potential to challenge or God forbid *change* their own beliefs about the physical universe, specifically the world we live in, is of course going to say "ahhh they're all crazy, it can't possibly be kept secret, the government leaks like a sieve, blah-blah-blah" but the fact is, our federal government is so massive, has so many different functions and facets that the public never sees, it IS entirely possible to keep something secret if it is deemed critical to our national security.

Unfortunately, Roswell New Mexico has become a punch line for far too many people when in fact that city may well represent one of the most profound occurrences to take place in the United States since the first detonation of the atomic bomb, literally 'just down the road'.

Consider this one item, if nothing else:


AFFIDAVIT


(1) My name is Thomas Jefferson Dubose

(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX

(3) I retired from the U.S. Air force in 1959 with the rank of Brigadier General.

(4) In July 1947, I was stationed at Fort Worth Army Air Field [later Carswell Air Force Base] in Fort Worth, Texas. I served as Chief of Staff to Major General Roger Ramey, Commander, Eight Air Force. I had the rank of Colonel.

(5) In early July, I received a phone call from Maj. Gen. Clements McMullen, Deputy Commander, Strategic Air Command. He asked what we knew about the object which had been recovered outside Roswell, New Mexico, as reported in the press. I called Col. William Blanchard, Commander of the Roswell Army Air Field and directed him to send the material in a sealed container to me at Fort Worth. I so informed Maj. Gen. McMullen.

(6) After the plane from Roswell arrived with the material, I asked the Base Commander, Col. Al Clark, to take possession of the material and to personally transport it in a B-26 to Maj. Gen. McMullen in Washington, D.C. I notified Maj. Gen. McMullen, and he told me he would send the material by personal courier on his plane to Benjamin Chidlaw, Commanding General of the Air Material Command at Wright Field [later Wright Patterson AFB]. The entire operation was conducted under the strictest secrecy.

(7) The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey's office was a weather balloon. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press.

(8) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: T. J. Dubose

Date: 9/16/91

Signature witnessed by:

Linda R. Split
Notary Public, State of Florida
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31 posted on 03/02/2007 5:24:15 PM PST by mkjessup (My mechanic said "I can't fix your brakes, so I made your horn louder" - Stephen Wright)
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To: mkjessup
As Charles Colson famously said about Watergate: "There we were, the six or seven most powerful men in the world, and we couldn't keep a secret six weeks."

There is no UFO Deus ex machina in our future. Just an 83 year-old man's fading reality....

32 posted on 03/02/2007 5:24:50 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Quix
4. It is a long FR tradition to mock and make jokes on the topic

Global Warming or Canada?

33 posted on 03/02/2007 5:35:30 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ( for those in Rio Linda, there's conservapedia)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
""I would like to see what (alien) technology there might be that could eliminate the burning of fossil fuels within a generation ... that could be a way to save our planet,"

Bush could have had a Ronald Reagan moment saying something like this. Just put this in a speech jokingly and expand on it to make everybody laugh. Global warming is becoming critical when both Cindy Sheehan and Paris Hilton stop wearing underwear and shave.(replace with your own one). Get people laughing at the idea.

Bush is ex-mil and a Harvard MBA and can do this readily. But he won't. He won't dishonor the Office of President.

34 posted on 03/02/2007 6:06:31 PM PST by BobS
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I hate to break the news to minister Hellyer, but this is already happening. When the aliens crashed in Roswell, they saw to it before they perished, that their technology would be used to save the world. And that foresight is now paying off. Exactly nine months after the crash.......Al Gore was born.
35 posted on 03/02/2007 6:22:10 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Correct to a point on a technicality doesn't impress me much.

A lot of us try and live by the spirit of the rule as well as the letter of the law. That means we put very similar things in a thread that's already been started on the topic. It's the charitable, responsible, supportive-of-JimRob thing to do.

imho, of course.

I knew the info the Defense Minister shared probably long before he did. He didn't have a relative working in the black program close to UFO's. I did.


36 posted on 03/02/2007 6:53:28 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: Candor7

I think he has disclosed all he knows or all he knows he can get away with disclosing or all he's been ordered to disclose. I wouldn't look to him for more info.

But

HTTP://WWW.ABOVETOPSECRET.COM

has a wealth of info . . . of course as usual, filtering truth out of the disinformation is a major task.


37 posted on 03/02/2007 6:54:55 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: Candor7

Evidently he's as saintly or devilish as those reporting on him construe him to be . . . Some found/find him wonderful, sane, responsible, diligent etc. and others horrid.

I only know that the UFO stuff he's mentioned is old hat to those of us well read or connected to the topic.


38 posted on 03/02/2007 6:56:30 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: mkjessup

'The Threat' - by Professor David Jacobs, Temple University.

'Top Secret Majic' - Stanton T. Friedman
= =

I think those are good, too.

Thx.


39 posted on 03/02/2007 6:57:17 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: bkepley

It appears to have escaped you that there's been a ramp-up of UFO sightings the last 6+ months. There's every indication that the trend will continue upwards.

There's also been a ramp-up of disclosure type info coming out from a wide diversity of sources.

In the DISCLOSURE video linked on the earlier thread . . . Dr Carol Rosin's mention of Dr von Braun's assertions in

1974

that there would be a war on terror . . . and as said in the book, a war on Iraq followed by a war with ET. . . .

We seem to be getting closer for the final act of that play.

But, hey, ignorance is supposed to be bliss. And the world seems rather short on bliss. So, I shouldn't begrudge anyone seeking bliss.


40 posted on 03/02/2007 7:00:53 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Just like Jon Cary trips up and says what all the libs really think about our military, this nut reveals the lib's true thoughts about aliens.


41 posted on 03/02/2007 7:01:35 PM PST by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

How did he learn about our Star Gate program?!


42 posted on 03/02/2007 7:03:04 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Those books and the UFO supression belief are nuts. The government leaks like a sieve! There is not a chance that something like this could be kept secret for any long length of time.
= = = =

That's mostly a thoroughly erroneous assertion. Those of us who've worked in TOP SECRET CRYPTO communications and higher roles and classifications COULD cite a list of things that are STILL not only not widely known--not even rumored.

Stanton Friedman in some of his talks and writings mentiones things that were not even rumored for 50 years or so until the last 5-10 years' release of documents have disclosed.

Your assertion is essentially wrong.

Sure, in the UFO field, plenty of things have been rumored, deliberately leaked; mixed with calculated disinformation and seeded, leaked etc. etc. etc. But that's not really what you were claiming.


43 posted on 03/02/2007 7:04:34 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: LibKill

Wrong.

Very wrong.

But it will require time and overt public events to convince a lot of people otherwise.


44 posted on 03/02/2007 7:05:27 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: mkjessup

Even as a psychologist, MK, it's often amazing to me that some folks are . . . what . . . genetically, arrogantly, conditioned . . . what???

to be rabidly irrationally dismissive.

Is it out of fear?

Is it out of sheer arrogance thinking themselves wiser than all those of us who've been researching things for 50+ years and/or who have had connections working in the field???

Is it hoping against hope that their narrow view of reality will prove true the more shrilly they insist it is true?

Amazing phenomena--especially in the face of more than 80% of the populace who know/believe better on good rational foundational bases.


45 posted on 03/02/2007 7:08:43 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: Quix
Wrong.

Very wrong.

But it will require time and overt public events to convince a lot of people otherwise.

As you say, but for me it will require at least half as much proof as required in a court of law.

Or, in the alternative, if some little grey tries to break into my home, and if I shoot it (him, her?) dead, and if it (him, her?) is still there in the morning, then I will believe.

All jokes aside, the history of the micro-chip is all earth-bound.

46 posted on 03/02/2007 7:09:31 PM PST by LibKill (ENOUGH! Take the warning labels off everything and let Saint Darwin do his job.)
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To: Candor7

I can easily agree about the military consolidation etc. Deplorable and treasonous. Probably toward supporting the globalists and their traitorous goals.

I only know that his UFO statements are conservative and reasonably accurate.


47 posted on 03/02/2007 7:10:13 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: Candor7

However, I do

NOT

think the alien technologies in and of themselves replacing fossil fuels would do much for the cyclic global warming nonsense.

But it would take a LOT of decentralized power away from the puppet masters. So, not likely any time soon unless they can figure out a way to make MORE money off of it and INCREASE their death grip on individuals' lives.


48 posted on 03/02/2007 7:11:41 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: LibKill

Wow. Humility and wisdom on a UFO thread. I'd give you a gold medal if I had enough gold to make one.


49 posted on 03/02/2007 7:12:35 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: mkjessup

Thanks. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of AVAILABLE PUBLIC INFORMATION, solid documentation.

BLACKVAULT is a good source of FOIA released docs.

Thanks.


50 posted on 03/02/2007 7:15:36 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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