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Dumbing down: the proof [a copy of a test for 11-year-olds from 1898]
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | November 27, 2004 | No author

Posted on 11/28/2004 5:50:10 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

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To: SunkenCiv

Ping away, stockpirate can handle the reading!!!!


21 posted on 11/28/2004 10:40:27 AM PST by stockpirate (Check out my bio and learn about sKerry and his Socialist friends.)
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To: stockpirate

[singing] "Yo, ho, yo, ho, the pirate's life's for me..."


22 posted on 11/28/2004 11:09:44 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv

YOu got it! :-)


23 posted on 11/28/2004 11:16:20 AM PST by stockpirate (Check out my bio and learn about sKerry and his Socialist friends.)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Where are silver, platinum, tin, wool, wheat, palm oil, furs and cacao got from?

Obviously the person who came up with this question failed the grammar test.
24 posted on 11/28/2004 11:25:06 AM PST by rightwinggoth
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To: SunkenCiv

You're welcome, SunkenCiv.


25 posted on 11/28/2004 11:52:23 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
The way it used to be WHERE?

"On the outline map provided, mark the position of Carlisle, Canterbury, Plymouth, Hull, Gloucester, Swansea, Southampton, Worcester, Leeds, Leicester and Norwich; Morecambe Bay, The Wash, Solent, Menai Straits and Lyme Bay; St Bees Head, The Naze, Lizard Point; the rivers Trent and Severn; Whernside, the North Downs, and Plinlimmon; and state on a separate paper what the towns named above are noted for."

26 posted on 11/28/2004 1:42:52 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: judywillow

Well . . . except at COld Harbor.


27 posted on 11/28/2004 1:43:37 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: BenLurkin
The way it used to be WHERE?
Late Victorian England.
28 posted on 11/28/2004 2:33:03 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

"5. Where are Omdurman, Wai-Hei-Wai, Crete, Santiago, and West Key, and what are they noted for?"

I think they're all living in Los Angeles now, and last I heard bond was set at $25,000 each.


29 posted on 11/28/2004 8:43:17 PM PST by Cedar
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To: snarks_when_bored

Wow. I guess I'm just glad I was one of the last to be taught reading with phonics (in the early 70's).

As a private and home educating mother, this fascinates me. My 11yo will love reading this! He thinks HE has work...


30 posted on 11/28/2004 10:44:26 PM PST by Gal.5:1 (keep standing firm)
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To: rightwinggoth
Where are silver, platinum, tin, wool, wheat, palm oil, furs and cacao got from?
Today's answer = Wal-Mart. (of course the fur at Wal-Mart is probably fake)
31 posted on 11/30/2004 9:28:50 PM PST by mysto
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To: rightwinggoth

>>Where are silver, platinum, tin, wool, wheat, palm oil, >>furs and cacao got from?

>Obviously the person who came up with this question failed >the grammar test.

How is it that such an idea has got abroad? Actually, you're judging 19th and even 18th century standards of grammer by our modern dumbed-down standards. Using ``...got from'' is actually proper English, for writings preceding circa 1950. By example you can see grammer like this used extensively in old writings like http://www.thomaspaine.org/Archives/AOR2.html Mr. paine being a prolific writer during and after the American Revolutionary war, his phamplet http://www.thomaspaine.org/Archives/commonsense.html provoked the war, and it uses such grammer. Writings of the other Founding Fathers are similar, as are many of the writings contained in collections like ``The Havard Classics'', of which are far too numerous to quote here. It's curious to note that these sort of writings were mandantory before 1900, but ignored by `educators' today. Even old movies regularly depicted the well-to-do using such grammer.
Perhaps we don't speak that way today, but who are we, products of a dumbed-down educational system, to judge the grammer of those who spoke and wrote far better than anyone now is capable of? We have so much too learn from people who lived prior to 1900, so perhaps we should spend more time learning proper English and many other things from them, and less critising their grammer of yesteryear.


32 posted on 12/07/2004 2:52:39 PM PST by rwbehne
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To: rwbehne

Interesting comments about grammar.

My favorite books are those by William Law, Charles Finney, Andrew Murray, Elizabeth Prentiss, and other early Christian writers from the 1600's through the 1800's.

Just even their thought processes and ways of explanation are so rich. In fact, it took me a while before I could really get in the flow of Charles Finney's thinking. But once I did, it's been a delight to read.

The best words I can use to describe those early writers are depth and clarity. Such sound thinking! (I'm hoping it will rub off on me. I need it....)


33 posted on 12/07/2004 8:24:21 PM PST by Cedar
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To: rwbehne

Actually, I was commenting on the use of 'from' as a dangling participle. Nineteenth-century grammarians discouraged the use of prepositions at the ends of sentences as much as modern grammarians do today.


34 posted on 12/08/2004 2:05:44 AM PST by rightwinggoth
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