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NEW: Judge Cannon continues to squeeze DOJ to define the vague terms in the Espionage Act.
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Posted on 03/19/2024 5:33:34 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe

NEW: Judge Cannon continues to squeeze DOJ to define the vague terms in the Espionage Act. She just ordered Jack Smith and Team Trump to file proposed jury instructions by April 2 on how jurors should interpret "unauthorized possession" of national defense files.

Cannon repeatedly asked prosecutors to explain which official and/or agency determines "unauthorized possession" of a document. DOJ admitted NARA has no law enforcement role in assessing who--esp a former president or VP--is keeping a record without authority.

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Thought this was interesting. Add this to Cannon's decision that the jury must be shown the documents in question, not just Smith waving around a manila envelope.
1 posted on 03/19/2024 5:33:34 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Tench_Coxe

“Article II
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SECTION 2. The President...may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices...”

Obviously, the President often needs to retain such writings after leaving office since backbiting by underlings is very likely after a President’s term in office ends.


2 posted on 03/19/2024 5:37:47 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Tench_Coxe

Oh no Surrender Monkeys you’d better start accusing Judge Cannon of being a secret plant by Soros - this could get out of hand/s/.


3 posted on 03/19/2024 5:39:29 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Freedom is never free. It must be won rewon and jealously guarded.)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Judge Cannon Is brilliant! She is forcing Jack Smith to either eliminate his case or the jury do it for him. Her hands will be clean.


4 posted on 03/19/2024 5:42:32 AM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting…)
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To: Lockbox

This whole case is a mess and especially after no charges were brought against Biden is doomed to the thrown out. I just hope it is done in such a way as to prevent the government from appealing.


5 posted on 03/19/2024 5:44:59 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: Tench_Coxe

The funny thing will be if the classified docs they are charging him on are Crossfire Hurricane docs.

If that’s the case, no jury is going to convict a man for retaining documents on his enemies’ illegal behavior.


6 posted on 03/19/2024 5:46:36 AM PDT by struggle
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To: Tench_Coxe

bttt


7 posted on 03/19/2024 5:47:24 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Tench_Coxe

The law is quite different for a President vs a VP….


8 posted on 03/19/2024 5:53:26 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: Tench_Coxe

“unauthorized possession” Why JOe Biden did not do that?

Tick, tick,

the classified documents seized may show that the DOJ, FBI, CIA, HOmeland Security,Pelosi, McConnell and the Washington Capitol police participated in a couter espionage operation designed to culminate in the assassination of President Trump on January 6th. ( The Secret Service giot wind of the plot through the presidents NSA assets and they avoided going to the Capitol with Trump even after they requested it.)

Cannon knows that these assassination proof documents are in the hands of a DOJ approved special master, and she will do all she can to get the to the jury.


9 posted on 03/19/2024 6:01:09 AM PDT by Candor7 (Ask not for whom Trump Trolls,He trolls for thee!),<img src="" width=500</img><a href="">tag</a>)
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To: Tench_Coxe

If Jack Smith reveals the documents to the Jury, isn’t he GUILTY of Espionage for Illegally disclosing Top Secret Classified Information unless Biden grants him that authority through the Proper Channels???


10 posted on 03/19/2024 6:02:35 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Tench_Coxe

“...explain which official and/or agency determines “unauthorized possession” of a document.”

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I’m confused.
The judge wants to know, or find, which un-elected bureaucrats do (or should) have the power to determine who broke a law?

Isn’t that what judges and juries do?

If it’s not a clear law, then why would this power be given to some desk jockey somewhere?


11 posted on 03/19/2024 6:04:08 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: Tench_Coxe

BTTT


12 posted on 03/19/2024 6:05:39 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Tench_Coxe

From the article:

“Keep in mind as she mentions Presidential Records Act—she has not yet ruled on Trump’s motion to dismiss based on protections of the PRA.”

Hopefully another bullet in the gun pointed at Jackov Smith


13 posted on 03/19/2024 6:06:58 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Apparently all these cases against Trump are to prevent him from being President again, that’s why running out the clock destroys the cases. Appealing any of the cases is a loser for the democrats because the clock keeps on ticking toward the election.


14 posted on 03/19/2024 6:07:14 AM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting…)
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To: Tench_Coxe
A president has sole authority under PRA [Presidential Records Act] to categorize records as personal or presidential during his/her presidency. Neither a court nor a jury is permitted to make or review such a categorization decision. Although there is no formal means in the PRA by which a president is to make that categorization, an outgoing president’s decision to excluded what he/she considers to be personal records from presidential records transmitted to the National Archives and Records Administration constitute a president’s categorization of those records under the PRA

How can this case go further with this ruling?

15 posted on 03/19/2024 6:09:26 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Tench_Coxe

‘explain which official and/or agency determines “unauthorized possession” of a document’

They can’t explain, because the ultimate answer is that the President makes that determination, or the President can overrule any of his subordinates who make similar decisions.


16 posted on 03/19/2024 6:12:41 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: eyeamok

Not just that, but any of the jury that read such documents without authorization would also arguably be guilty under the espionage act.


17 posted on 03/19/2024 6:13:59 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Tench_Coxe

I hate this case, too much banana republic crap for me.


18 posted on 03/19/2024 6:18:11 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: silverleaf

“The law is quite different for a President vs a VP….”

Or a senator.


19 posted on 03/19/2024 6:21:44 AM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: eyeamok
If Jack Smith reveals the documents to the Jury, isn’t he GUILTY of Espionage for Illegally disclosing Top Secret Classified Information unless Biden grants him that authority through the Proper Channels???

If these docs are Top Secret, what clearance does smith have?

When Trump removed the docs, he said he declassified them, and NO ONE can dispute his word.

The President of The United States, when in office, is the sole arbiter of classification, and there are no written rules for the process {or lack thereof}.

20 posted on 03/19/2024 6:21:55 AM PDT by USS Alaska (NUKE ALL MOOSELIMB TERRORISTS, NOW.)
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