Problem is the alternative is very hard to find
It’s suppressed vigorously
My own experience is the Russian side has much higher veracity which is pathetic
Russia
Has been fairly open on deployments artillery numbers and losses and casualties
Ukraine has let go limited numbers of their losses and has focused on propaganda about Russias losses which defy truth
Likewise I’ve watched 100s of videos of Donbas and Luhansk survivors who squarely blame ukrop forces as a rule
They cannot all be lying or staged
Nor do they appear so especially when pat lancaster gets to the home minutes after a loved one has been killed by artillery
And that doesn’t count small arms atrocities by ukrop drive by militias
The Soros gang here simply doesn’t care
How do u discuss reason with folks believe Putin is the same commie as Brezhnev
Only thing in common is both are autocrats
Here’s my take.
George Bush talked most of us FReepers into supporting the attack on Iraq. He even went to the UN and got approval, becuase of WMDs in Saddams control. The CIA director at the time, George Tenent, said it was a slam dunk. Colin Powell briefed the UN with photos showing Iraqi trucks with Russian advisors packing up the WMDs and taking them to Syria.
We went in. We didn’t find them. After a while, it became apparent that Hussien was keeping the lid on both kinds of Muslim fanatics—the Sunni kind that went from Al Qeada to ISIS, and the Shi’a kind that went from Iran to Hammas and Hezbollah.
In hindsight, we never should have done it. Big mistake.
I see clearly now since then.
Putin has now done the same as us but in Ukraine. The invasion was as wrong as ours. However, he didn’t play the UN game and get “approval” or even have a good reason, except he wanted it.
And no, the threat from a Ukraine joining NATO is as bogus a reason for war as WMD were. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, all bordering Russia, already were in NATO. In fact, Latvia doesn’t even have an Air Force, so NATO members take turns flying air patrol for them, right along the border.
For that reason, I think Russia was/is wrong to invade. What is their goal now? They’ve physically taken the Donbass, which they claim they were defending.
But all this is a diversion.
Ukraine isn’t as strong as Russia by far, so the advantage goes to the Russians.
We ALL believe propaganda—we find it where we look for it.
We all want to believe something is true—we find it where we look for it.
Both sides seem equal in it to me.