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Who was the greatest American soldier ever?
Unto the Breach ^ | 4 August 2019 | Chris Carter

Posted on 08/04/2019 2:20:07 PM PDT by fugazi

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To: PAR35
You said Mac Arthur "knew" the Japanese might attack Manila, where he was in charge of the Philippine Army etc.so wasn't prepared. Well, yes, but not really

Manila lacked anti aircraft weapons to stop an air attack, so asked for and got the New Mexico National Guard to be sent to protect Clark AFB. link

Because of his haughty personality, he was greatly disliked by the ordinary soldier, and was called "dugout Doug" because Roosevelt had ordered him home when the remains of the Philippine army (some US soldiers but mainly Philippine Scouts) was defending Bataan.

Mac Arthur, however, was brilliant. He saw the sea as a road instead of a barrier, and devised the plan to "skip over" many smaller Japanese held islands, leaving the Japanese without supplies to "wither on the vine" rather than attacking them.

And he understood Asian culture, with it's personal ties of what we call her "loob", ties of reciprocity and responsibility. Unlike most of the Americans in the Philippines, who looked down and despised the locals, Mac Arthur got along with them. He even partied with the local leaders as an equal, and had a local actress as his mistress.

He told the Filipinos he would return, and he did, even though many in the USA thought to just let the Philippines be bypassed to suffer under Japanese control.

And his understanding of Japanese culture led to his finding a way to keep the Emperor; if this had not been done, a vicious civil war would have happened.

So yes, he made mistakes, and he was an SOB, but as a whole, he was one of the greatest generals/statesmen in history.

201 posted on 08/04/2019 8:13:28 PM PDT by LadyDoc (Liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: fugazi

The greatest American soldier might be someone we’ve never heard of.


202 posted on 08/04/2019 8:23:32 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Bull Snipe

Yup. I found that out.

Anyway, what the Southern commanders must have thought when they saw that coming, being used to Napoleon style attacks/advances and all that.


203 posted on 08/04/2019 9:04:54 PM PDT by crz
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To: fugazi

Washington was in the field with his men every day eating the same rations, dealing with the same deprivation, betting his life and fortune to create a first on earth. Not so with Grant, Ike, Patton, MacArthur.


204 posted on 08/04/2019 9:18:11 PM PDT by masadaman
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To: fugazi

An absurdly stupid question. And it assUmeS it’s possible to make a qualitative assessment of different individuals facing different challenges under different circumstances at different times.

And Chesty Puller wasn’t a soldier (despite being born in West Point ...Virginia).


205 posted on 08/04/2019 10:07:12 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: sparklite2

MacArthur fired on the Depression-era WWI veterans. I think Ike was part of that too but MacArthur was in charge.


206 posted on 08/04/2019 10:31:04 PM PDT by namvolunteer (Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.9we)
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To: twister881

My Dad too.
I was glad you said that and glad it only took 13 posts.
My father was in the Army Air Corps in Algeria and Tunisia; Italy; and Okinawa. He had two bullets in his helmet.
He never talked about it.


207 posted on 08/04/2019 10:39:19 PM PDT by namvolunteer (Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.9we)
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To: namvolunteer

My father the same — he rarely spoke of his combat experiences. Signal Corps, 30-year veteran, including two years in the Pacific during WWII with the 30th Infantry “Dixie” Division. New Guinea > Morotai > Mindanao. Returned a 24-year old major, two battlefield promotions. The Greatest Generation.


208 posted on 08/05/2019 2:42:01 AM PDT by twister881
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To: namvolunteer

Oops, *31st* Infantry Division...need coffee.


209 posted on 08/05/2019 2:54:54 AM PDT by twister881
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To: fugazi

Every Troop that suits up-shows up is blessed with a level of greatness that’s only surpassed by those that give their life in service.

That said, this Marine’s nominee is Colonel Robert Lewis Howard, USA. Rising from Pvt. to Colonel, Colonel Howard was a Quiet Professional who successfully met every challenge along the way. In retirement, Colonel Howard lived the same commitment in serving Veterans.

Semper Fidelis!


210 posted on 08/05/2019 3:46:23 AM PDT by Huaynero
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To: Michael.SF.

I have no particular objection to Washington. My question is: Why do so many assume it must be a general or admiral?


211 posted on 08/05/2019 3:47:30 AM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: Chainmail
The greatest soldier who ever lived was on either side of me in Vietnam. But my favorite best soldier was a shy, quiet PFC with an odd walk who tended us critically wounded at the Air Force hospital at Tachikawa Japan. The Air Force nurses for our ward almost never showed up - too busy doing something else, I guess - so the PFC emptied our bedpans, changed our IVs, smuggled cokes to us and took care of us. He had a bandage on the back of his head but I assumed that he was one of those “rear area commandos” based in Tokyo and maybe he’d slipped and hurt himself. I finally decide to ask him how he got hurt and he told me that “a mortar fell straight down behind him, crushing the back of skull, then exploding behind him, severing his feet”. I looked over the edge of my bed and saw that the reason for his odd walk was that he waiting on us, walking on rubber pads where his feet had been. Best soldier, ever.

Incredible as in WOW! Yes, heroes came in different forms and this man was a true hero, far more so then those who only engage in one heroic action.

212 posted on 08/05/2019 4:43:19 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: morphing libertarian

LOL!!!


213 posted on 08/05/2019 4:59:35 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Manly Warrior

So true. I became acquainted with a few via American Legion. The Army really took it on the chin. These guys were hardscrabble combat soldiers. Their courage shown thru—even in powder puff civ life. I loved them all.

My Dad was WW2 sailor in the Pacific. Saw only a couple day of real combat. Volunteered like so many then. Wow.

Pvt Snuffy gave us the life and lifestyle we have lived for the last 80 years. And all of us owe those that served under Washington our foundational freedoms. May it so remain.


214 posted on 08/05/2019 6:58:08 AM PDT by whistleduck (arpoon)
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To: crz
I respectfully disagree.

Given his resources Grant should have won in a shorter time frame. And Given his resources, it is a tribute to Lee's skills that he lasted as long as he did.

Grant is given rave reviews for his lengthy campaign at Vicksburg, but if one looks at the long fought battle, Grant made numerous failed attempts before finally achieving victory. Grant certainly had the will to fight, as well as the strength to endure, those are the marks of a solid commander, not the mark of greatness.

215 posted on 08/05/2019 7:29:48 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Youth, speed and energy can always be overcome with experience and treachery.)
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To: crz

Upton’s orders to the attacking forces was to load their rifle muskets, but do not cap them. When the order to attack was given, they were to run like hell to the edge of the enemies works then cap their weapons and start fighting.
the troops got to the earth works without suffering an significant casualties, but got bogged down at the earth works.


216 posted on 08/05/2019 7:41:56 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Huaynero

Col. Howard would undoubtedly be in my top three.


217 posted on 08/05/2019 8:46:39 AM PDT by fugazi
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To: dfwgator

That’s the one ;-)


218 posted on 08/05/2019 1:50:06 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (It is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind.)
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To: Dogfaced Soldier

Excellent.


219 posted on 08/06/2019 8:36:41 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: Michael.SF.
Well then, you are in disagreement with General RE Lee. As well as several others of that time.

Best you get ahold of Grants Civil war memoirs.

The man was a genius.

220 posted on 08/09/2019 1:57:40 AM PDT by crz
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