ROBERT E. LEE: OUR GREATEST GENERAL?

[BroJoeK]

Svartalfiar: "He didn't free any slaves in the north, where he actually had the power to do so. Funny, right?"

DiogenesLamp: "Cold blooded and cynical."

That's total rubbish and you well know it.
Lincoln's authority as commander in chief allowed him to declare "contraband of war", which he did, for obvious military reasons.
But he had no authority to, as a future president would say "use my pen and my phone" to abolish slavery in Union states.
That required a constitutional amendment, the 13th, which Lincoln strongly supported.

So, words like "cold blooded and cynical" might well describe DiogenesLamp's defenses of the Lost Cause, but not Lincoln's support for emancipation, abolition & citizenship, which eventually got him murdered.

[DiogenesLamp]

Thank you for the additional information. I have little doubt that the South voted Democrat specifically as a means of getting a little revenge on the Republicans who had killed so many of them and who had impoverished them and destroyed so much of their wealth.

I have read that nearly 2 million people in the South starved to death or died of disease and exposure as a consequence of the destruction of the Civil War.

If this is true, you can clearly see how it would have created a generational consequence of hating the people who did it to them.

They knee jerk voted for Wilson without realizing he had gone Liberal. They were all "yellow dog" Democrats in those days.

Additionally, Princeton was at the time the most conservative of the Ivy League schools.

They have all gone over to the dark side nowadays. It's a shame. They used to be beacons of higher learning, and now they are just beacons of indoctrination in useless "studies" of no value to mankind.

[Theophilus]

Jackson fought a personal war against pride. He retreated from fame and praise. He always gave God, the sovereign of history, glory.

[DiogenesLamp]

There wouldn’t have been a secession or a war if he had. I think he was just outclassed by Lincoln. Lincoln was a very smart and clever man, and he was a master at politics.

[BroJoeK]

Lagmeister: "Wasted enough time on this.
Your source is slanted and the title screams it... your numbers are nitpicked and over-embellished"

DiogenesLamp: "Ah, so you've met BroJoeK?
Yup, that pretty much sums up his methodology."

But in this case as in others, my numbers are totally accurate, so far as historians can tell, and the comparisons of casualties for "butcher" Grant versus "brilliant" Lee totally apt.

But as in so much else, since you don't like the results you hand-wave them away -- "can't be true", "nitpicked & over-embellished".

Nope. Even when truth hurts, it's still true.

[DiogenesLamp]

Always nice to talk to you.

And you as well. I enjoy reading your insights.

[DiogenesLamp]

For someone who has said on more than one occasion he’s sick and tired of going around and around with me you sure do ping me a lot.

Ping you? Maybe on the rare occasion, but what I do more often is reply to something you said, not in the hopes of convincing you of anything, but to use the opportunity to better inform others as to the history about which they have been misled.

[DiogenesLamp]

"Rubbish and nonsense!"

:)

[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "what I do more often is reply to something you said, not in the hopes of convincing you of anything, but to use the opportunity to better inform others as to the history about which they have been misled."

Says likely the most prolific misleader on Free Republic.

[jmacusa]

You stupid son of a bitch you and your idiotic nonsense about Northern New York bankers and plutocrats has been debunked by so many here who’ve proven how wrong your are. Don’t you ever get tired of looking like an idiot?

[jmacusa]

The article does NOT use the word ‘’slave’’ it refers to fugitives fleeing prosecution for crimes in one state to another. read an explanation of the whole thing you idiot and you'll see it means the exact opposite of what you Confederates think it means.

[morphing libertarian]

I think you don’t give enough credence to slavery as an economic issue

I never ignore the economic. But to say that slavery was not an issue ignores the other 500 pound gorilla.

I’m tapped out on the issue. And have honeydos to do.

Good day.

[HandyDandy]

Such a fascinating glimpse into how his/her mind works. It is not so much a matter of GIGO, but rather a breakdown in input, process, output garbage.

[DoodleDawg]

but to use the opportunity to better inform others as to the history about which they have been misled.

And here I thought you were spreading all your fictitious crap just to get into Miss Marmelstein's good graces. You two ought to get married.

[miss marmelstein]

You’re an embarrassment. Shouldn’t you be over on that other stupid Civil War thread, cutting and pasting? Or maybe defending the Red Hen, lol.

[Svartalfiar]

That's total rubbish and you well know it. Lincoln's authority as commander in chief allowed him to declare "contraband of war", which he did, for obvious military reasons. But he had no authority to, as a future president would say "use my pen and my phone" to abolish slavery in Union states. That required a constitutional amendment, the 13th, which Lincoln strongly supported.

Oh, so he had no authority to abolish slavery in the Union. Yet, according to him/all of y'all, the South's secessions weren't legal, and those states never truly left the Union. So by what authority could he then free slaves in those states, but not the northern ones? You can't have it both ways - either the South truly left and had to be beaten back in, in which case he had no power or authority over the Confederacy to issue his Proclamation, or the states were always in the Union and he couldn't have freed the Southern slaves yet had no power to free those in the North.

[DoodleDawg]

Are you kidding? Watching you and DiogenesLamp is better than a soap opera.

[miss marmelstein]

Well, it’s pretty obvious you don’t have much to do. Spending your life thinking up reasons to dislike Jefferson Davis isn’t exactly leading a full life.

[DoodleDawg]

So by what authority could he then free slaves in those states, but not the northern ones?

By authority granted by the Confiscation Acts of 1861 and 1862, the constitutionality of which was upheld by the Supreme Court in the Prize Cases (67 US 635)decision issued in 1863. Under the Confiscation Acts, the federal government could seize any private property without compensation if it was being used to further the cause of the Southern rebellion. Since Northern states were not in rebellion the law did not apply to them.

[DoodleDawg]

Well, it’s pretty obvious you don’t have much to do. Spending your life thinking up reasons to dislike Jefferson Davis isn’t exactly leading a full life.

No less full then spending your time thinking up ways to defend him.