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To: spirited irish
If “God” emerged in human consciousness over millions of years, and if the scriptures are the result of geniuses—prophets and poets—tapping into archetypical truths of the human psyche

However, this neglects the truly supernatural, so it is a decapitated way of thinking. The scriptures, which are our only way of knowing WHO God is (aside from merely knowing via creation THAT He is), predicted the first coming of the Son of God, to a "T". They predicted the return and sustenance of Israel, as we can presently witness daily They predicted Chernobyl. I named only 3 of the predictions which the human collective genius could never have made, much less fulfilled.

The neglect of the supernatural is a fatal flaw to any system of analysis of reality and being.

4 posted on 04/06/2018 7:20:11 AM PDT by Migraine ((A smartass who is right can be downright funny. A smartass who is wrong is just a smartass.))
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To: Migraine
Totally agreed.

Timeless is the supernatural realm (third heaven) of the eternally existing, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent Holy God of Revelation.

There are three heavens. The first is the immediate sky, or earth's atmosphere. (Genesis 2:19; 7:3, 23; Psalms 8:8; Deuteronomy 11:17) The second is the starry heavens or outer space. (Deuteronomy 17:3; Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29). The third heaven is outside of time and space, meaning the first and second heavens, thus outside the reach of man's science. The timeless heaven is where God and the holy angels and spirits of righteous men in possession of eternal life dwell and to which Paul was taken. (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4; 2 Cor.12:2)

Furthermore, all people who have had out-of-body experiences by way of near-death or drugs, astral plane travels, or through shamanism for example, can testify to the existence of their own souls as well as of the timeless abode of demons and fallen angels, the "spirits of wickedness under the heavens" (Eph. 6:12) and their chief, "the prince of the powers of the air." (Eph. 2:2) According to the Apostle Paul, fallen angels thrown down from the third heaven are dispersed in a multitude throughout the first heaven. It is with this timeless abode of fallen angels and demons that shamans interact and to which astral plane travelers from the time of Nimrod to our own have been visiting. According to Francis Huxley and Jeremy Narby:

"Western observers began participating in shamanistic sessions involving hallucinogenic plants, (and) found, to their astonishment, that they could have experiences similar to those described by shamans." 'Life' magazine popularized shamanism in a 1957 story, "In Mexico, American banker Gordon Wasson ate psilocybin mushrooms in a session conducted by (a) shaman." Wasson described to 'Life's' readers his experience of "flying out of his body." Narby and Huxley report that "hundreds of thousands of people read Wasson's account, and many followed his example." (Modern Shamanism: Spirit Contact & Spiritual Progress, James Herrick, p. 17, from "On Global Wizardry, edited by Peter Jones)

6 posted on 04/06/2018 3:04:07 PM PDT by spirited irish
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