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To: Migraine
Totally agreed.

Timeless is the supernatural realm (third heaven) of the eternally existing, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent Holy God of Revelation.

There are three heavens. The first is the immediate sky, or earth's atmosphere. (Genesis 2:19; 7:3, 23; Psalms 8:8; Deuteronomy 11:17) The second is the starry heavens or outer space. (Deuteronomy 17:3; Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29). The third heaven is outside of time and space, meaning the first and second heavens, thus outside the reach of man's science. The timeless heaven is where God and the holy angels and spirits of righteous men in possession of eternal life dwell and to which Paul was taken. (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4; 2 Cor.12:2)

Furthermore, all people who have had out-of-body experiences by way of near-death or drugs, astral plane travels, or through shamanism for example, can testify to the existence of their own souls as well as of the timeless abode of demons and fallen angels, the "spirits of wickedness under the heavens" (Eph. 6:12) and their chief, "the prince of the powers of the air." (Eph. 2:2) According to the Apostle Paul, fallen angels thrown down from the third heaven are dispersed in a multitude throughout the first heaven. It is with this timeless abode of fallen angels and demons that shamans interact and to which astral plane travelers from the time of Nimrod to our own have been visiting. According to Francis Huxley and Jeremy Narby:

"Western observers began participating in shamanistic sessions involving hallucinogenic plants, (and) found, to their astonishment, that they could have experiences similar to those described by shamans." 'Life' magazine popularized shamanism in a 1957 story, "In Mexico, American banker Gordon Wasson ate psilocybin mushrooms in a session conducted by (a) shaman." Wasson described to 'Life's' readers his experience of "flying out of his body." Narby and Huxley report that "hundreds of thousands of people read Wasson's account, and many followed his example." (Modern Shamanism: Spirit Contact & Spiritual Progress, James Herrick, p. 17, from "On Global Wizardry, edited by Peter Jones)

6 posted on 04/06/2018 3:04:07 PM PDT by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish

Very astute; and thanks for your extensive response.

Add to your final comments re: the spirit world and age-old visits to principalities and powers by shamanistic practitioners — some of the frightening observations by an off-rails anthropologist, Carlos Castaneda, among the Yaquis in Mexico, and Johanna Michaelson, who was brought out of occultic practices by Francis Schaefer himself.

Some of the observations and methodologies of Peterson remind me, remotely, of those of Paul Tillich — except that Tillich, for all his existentialist psychobabble, actually acknowledged the realm that is outside this mortal coil.


7 posted on 04/06/2018 4:35:57 PM PDT by Migraine ((A smartass who is right can be downright funny. A smartass who is wrong is just a smartass.))
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