Posted on 01/02/2018 10:14:46 AM PST by Sean_Anthony
Almost everyone who professes to want small/smaller government is a liar. They are thrilled with Big Government, so long as it is used to dictate their own preferences and ideas.
The alcohol users, abusers and alcoholics haven't done such a bang-up job themselves of building a republic.
It cuts both ways.
Sure appears that way. Treating everyone like kindergartners who needs the Nanny State to ‘nudge’/control the little helpless tikes. Who needs responsibility and letting natural outcomes for bad decisions or over-indulgence?
We can have Big Brother swatting us (literally SWATTING people/shooting folks and pets) if they suspect someone is smoking something ‘not allowed’.
I wonder how much money gets into government pockets and individual politicians too in the name of the drug war.
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Who am I kidding? Look what big government done to cigarette smokers. They have successfully, with their ‘nudging’ and laws, isolated cigarette smokers to be treated as sub-human mutant lepers. Note, I am NOT a cigarette smoker. But can’t believe how we have all allowed their rights to be trampled on.
Now, we do the same with Soda, fats, sugar. And we hear stuff all the time about alcohol.
Once we allow what we consume to be dictated so aggressively, we really lose our rights to consume anything considered ‘unhealthy’. Some might say good. But remember what they did about butter, coffee, chocolate, and others. You just can’t let some ‘expert’ (government dictated authority) makes all these decisions for us. That is just plain crazy.
Destroying the country one drink at a time.
Easier to control a society of besotted potheads.
Our country was founded by men who drank alcohol. And smoked too. Our wars were won by men and women who also drank alcohol. All the great leaders in the Holy Bible, even our Savior Jesus Christ drank alcohol.
If someone is ruining their lives, it is not the alcohol. It is the person who is ruining their life. Don’t blame the alcohol. Just like don’t blame the gun. It is the person pulling aiming and pulling the trigger. The person making the decisions on how something is being used is where the responsibility and BLAME lies.
Alcohol does not ruin lives. People ruin lives.
Probably lost some of your best! The FIRST thing anyone says about pot smokers is "lazy". This is indeed propaganda. There really should be a requirement that if you are going to piss and moan about pot, you need to smoke it at least once.
Perhaps, but the real acceleration came in the 60s with the acceptance of hashish, MJ and LSD. Ramping up to speed now with the nationwide legalization push, coupled with an increasingly poor educational system.
Not buying that it's propaganda. Son in law was smoking it in his teens and constant user over past 23 years. My daughter went thru nursing school and has almost 20 years in the field from trauma nurse to her present ICU nurse. 3 kids, youngest is 16. The bum has held 2 jobs in the last 20 or so years, none for more than a few months and his resume claim to fame is 'pizza delivery driver'. When her youngest hits 18, I am sure it will be adios between them at last. Lazy doesn't even begin to describe him. He spends every penny he can con out of her on the stuff and her oldest son is following right in his mentor daddys footsteps. Sad.
I get the libertarian argument against criminalizing pot. Just don’t anyone kid yourself that you can build a republic with potheads for your citizenry.
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Well said.
I said they were lazy. The best were still employed.
I did smoke it once years ago. I have asthma and it was horrid.
Some people who drink alcohol have the same issues as you describe. Others do not and function fine.
The same goes for pot smoking. Some people function fine their whole lives smoking pot. Others don't.
It has to do with the individuals. Not with what they choose to use for recreation necessarily.
My view is that if the warning comes from the government, it definitely is propaganda.
One needs only remember "Reefer Madness" to see that scare tactics and dire warnings are the government's way of distributing propaganda to the public.
Bad trips can be hell
https://patient.info/forums/discuss/marijuana-induced-hell-please-read-help—259358?page=1#
Yes pot makes people SMARTER and that is why the term “pot head” came about. To identify people sitting in clouds of smoke in their mother’s basement with stale pizza boxes all over the floor and, not having bathed for 3 days, online managing their revenue streams from patents and selling futures and lastly, managing their offshore accounts in the Caymans. Pot is always the hallmark of a real corporate competitor. /sarcaaaaasm!
In my college there was one instructor whom people would refer to by rolling their eyes and joking about his pot use. That’s the real image of pot - stoned and sitting around being stupid. But pothead’s lives matter! right! They are all Einsteins!
When I dug into this stuff about 2 months ago (the pro pot propaganda) I discovered that the pot industry has invested major money in false “studies” and statistics. One such smoke screen (see what I did there?) was the touted false fact that teen use of pot had not gone up. What REALLY happened is that on campus resource officers and counselors had noticed a marked increase in pot use, CO students lead the nation in pot use, but the schools get to decide how to handle it and the schools were not prosecuting. So pot use among teens, and its impacts upon drop out rates and participation, went up as expected but reporting and accountability went down. That’s a potheaded approach to balanced reporting but pro pot lobby is out there flogging the fake “facts” for their favorite high. :)
Everybody who uses pot is not a stereotypical "pot head" as you call them. That's naive.
Many people function just fine their whole lives while using pot as their recreation drug of choice. Same with alcohol drinkers.
But painting everyone with a brand brush of generalizations like you do, is not accurate.
Personally, I would rather be around someone who is stoned than someone who is drunk. The difference is dramatic.
Many others have spent time in jail for DUIs, domestic violence related to drinking too much, public drunk and disorderly charges, etc.
And yet find me someone who overdosed on smoking pot and I will show you someone who has simply fallen asleep on the living room couch.
When I was in the Air Force, most of the physicians and all of the dentists I worked with at the base hospital, smoked pot. It's use is not limited to slacker stoners and pot head stereotypes the media portrays it as.
Pot is not a debilitating drug like alcohol can be. It's not addictive. It's habitual. No withdrawal symptoms because you don't get "hooked". I think it is much safer and less damaging than drinking alcohol is. The associated health problems from alcohol are not there with pot.
I'm not recommending or encouraging people smoke pot. Nor am I saying that pot doesn't have "issues" or that some people will have problems, not matter what they imbibe in.
But I agree with your notion, Pilated, that this "Pot is a dangerous 'recreation'" is a "bunch of hooey".
Pot doesn't ruin lives. Individuals ruin their own lives.
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