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Person Strikes Car Before Hitting Gas: Did Charlottesville driver panic?
Youtube ^ | Aug 14, 2017 | Philosophy Workout

Posted on 08/18/2017 2:49:02 PM PDT by Sopater

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To: meatloaf
Did you see the picture of the Dodge with the brake lights on before the crash?

This one?


41 posted on 08/18/2017 3:45:09 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: meatloaf

That’s the one. The media still hasn’t shown the video of the first two cars in the intersection which showed people getting hit and knocked down by the first car that looked like a minivan. When that stopped the second (white) car, the stage was set for the tragedy.


42 posted on 08/18/2017 3:54:09 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: UCANSEE2

The girls in the middle car that he hit said that they were lost and were trying to find a way out of a neighborhood where their friend lived, and got into this maze of roads that they couldn’t figure out where to go to get out.

Is there any chance the same kind of thing happened to Fields?

This is what I know about me. I try not to get into dangerous situations, so I don’t go to where there are crowds of people, especially protests. Not everyone thinks this way. I have several cousins that go to protests. They always think they will be peaceful, because my cousins are peaceful people. They also aren’t critical thinkers. I know that not everyone going to a protest is a peaceful person. There are rabble rousers out there. Some people are drawn to protests anyway, like my cousins. I think they are naive to the dangers of the world.

What if this guy, Fields, is naive and gullible? Maybe he went to the protest because he didn’t want to see the statues taken down. Maybe he intended on being peaceful himself. He appeared to be peaceful when he was photographed with the Vanguard group, though I have not seen video of him there, just stills.

What if Fields had gotten his fill of the protests? Maybe he was planning to leave the area. The girls in the car in front of him say they were lost. Maybe he was, too.

Maybe he was angry at seeing counter protestors, or maybe he was scared. The flight or fight response can make things go awry pretty quickly. I wonder, if he was really trying to kill people, as has been asserted, why didn’t he just drive on to the sidewalk where there were tons more people? He could have killed or injure many more if he had just aimed for them a bit better. So why didn’t he?

All I’m saying with my post is that I wonder if the media narrative that he was there to kill people he disagreed with is the real whole truth. I doubt it. The media rarely if ever tells the whole truth. There is always some agenda they’re pushing.

I have my doubts about all of this Charlottesville business. I can’t help but think that there is plenty that we don’t know.


43 posted on 08/18/2017 4:00:50 PM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: Sopater; MrShoop
There's no argument from me that what he did was criminally wrong and he should be punished to the full extent of the law, but I would like to know just what led up to that event.

Agreed.

44 posted on 08/18/2017 4:28:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: MrShoop

“Watch some video dude, the car had been rapidly accelerating for a full block, with no people around before he got hit. Don’t apologize for this idiot murder, it make you looks stupid.”

Murder is the intentional killing of another innocent human being. This kid panicked, and was in fear for his life.
The ANTIFA BITCH got everything she deserved.


45 posted on 08/18/2017 4:30:57 PM PDT by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: FamiliarFace
I can’t help but think that there is plenty that we don’t know.

A very wise answer.

46 posted on 08/18/2017 4:31:05 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: MrShoop

“He is driving down a largely empty street, who cares what was behind him. We KNOW the protest was ahead of him, because he plowed into it. Nothing forced him to drive into the crowd except his mental illness and racism.”

Perhaps - perhaps not.
I love how you liberals assume things that match your narrative.


47 posted on 08/18/2017 4:33:19 PM PDT by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: MrShoop
There is as much koolaid and misinformation around Free Republic in the last week as in the MSM. Hint: George Soros wasn’t driving that car, a white racist was. Anyone defending him is a racist or a dupe.


Maybe a mentally ill dupe. Who else, on either side of the spectrum, would go to a White Supremacist, Nazi rally?
48 posted on 08/18/2017 4:42:32 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The Democrat Party supported KKK, lynchings and blocked school integration.)
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To: MrShoop

The girl who was hit looked to be hanging on his trunk when he was going in reverse. She was crushed between the car and a parked pickup as he passed it. She was complete with some kind of helmet, club and back pack. She was the last on to jump on the back of the car.


49 posted on 08/18/2017 4:51:56 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Sopater

“Person Strikes Car Before Hitting Gas: Did Charlottesville driver panic?”

Hey someone hit my car; think I’ll go run over a bunch of people as result.
Sounds perfectly reasonable.


50 posted on 08/18/2017 4:55:33 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I don't want better government; I want much less of it.)
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To: buffaloguy

She got smashed between the car and parked pickup.


51 posted on 08/18/2017 4:55:44 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: MrShoop
You're stepping on toes. This guy has a big fan club here.


52 posted on 08/18/2017 5:05:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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To: MrShoop

Maybe he was a plant who panicked.


53 posted on 08/18/2017 5:11:37 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl (Don't check the news, check Cernovich on Twitter)
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To: MrShoop

Do you want the truth or do you want more of the media bias?

The video and photos show what she was doing. Would you rather the media bias story stays in the news? That the horrible conservative racists are responsible?

Stupid.


54 posted on 08/18/2017 5:13:14 PM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF REPEALING OBAMACARE THAT IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF***)
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To: Mr. K

Defending, or equivocating about the nazi racist murdering driver is what allows the story to stay in the news. It is self defeating.


55 posted on 08/18/2017 5:26:10 PM PDT by Wayne07
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To: Sopater

That is a good video. My guesstimate is that he was going somewhere around 20 MPH up until that guy swung that club at him. Hard to tell, but it looks like the driver saw the impending attack on his car and speed up right before he got hit.


56 posted on 08/18/2017 5:33:31 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: MrShoop

it would be pretty stupid to use your own car to intentionally plow into people with hundreds of witnesses and many cameras on the scene..methinks panic is more likely cause but withholding judgement till real facts are in not just more hands up dont shoot crap...apparently you are able to know his intentions from a video WOW DON’T WANT YOU ON ANY JURY!


57 posted on 08/18/2017 5:44:58 PM PDT by rolling_stone (coming attraction...)
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To: mkleesma; All

I am not sure why this discussion is getting so acrimonious. We are all supposed to be reasonable, conservative adults here.

To remind us of how we should edit our posts before hitting send, I list some common thinking errors, ones that almost all of us make at some time or another, which we might well consider when composing a message:

All or nothing; black or white thinking: viewing a situation in only two categories, instead of on a continuum.

Blaming: other people or things are responsible for how you feel instead of your own values, beliefs, biases et cetera.

Fortune telling, seeing catastrophies ahead: predicting the future negatively, without considering other, more likely outcomes.

Discounting the positive (”yes, but”): unreasonably considering that positive experiences, deeds, or qualities do not count.

Emotional reasoning: thinking something must be true because one “feels” it so strongly, in spite of evidence to the contrary.

Labeling and name-calling: putting a fixed, global label on others.

Low frustration tolerance: Telling oneself that one “can’t stand it” or that “it is intolerable” when things are not as one would wish them.

Magnification/minimization: when evaluating another person or situation, unreasonably magnifying the negative or minimizing the positive.

Mental filter: paying attention to one detail instead of looking at the whole picture.

Mind reading: acting or speaking as if one knows what others are thinking.

Overgeneralization: making sweeping conclusions that go far beyond the current information or specific situation.

Overreacting: reacting to something now with feelings stored up from past incidents.

Personalization: believing others are behaving with personal animus towards oneself, without considering other plausible explanations for their behavior.

Imperatives (”should” and “must”): having a fixed, precise idea of how others should behave, and overestimating how bad it is when these expectations are not met.

Worrying or obsessing: dwelling on situations about which one can do little or nothing.

And don’t even get me started on the logical errors I’ve seen in this forum, and elsewhere. Leave the twisted thinking and the absurd illogic to the “progressives;” we need to reason soundly.


58 posted on 08/18/2017 5:47:26 PM PDT by VietVet
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To: Sopater

I actually have zero problem with running over protestors blocking public roads. They are not pedestrians, they are creating dangerous situations on purpose.


59 posted on 08/18/2017 6:00:32 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Oldexpat

Are you sure about that? That person looked too athletic to be her, as I recall. If that was indeed her, then it definitely makes her something other than an innocent bystander. She was chasing after him to smash his window. Which would edge her towards the “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” category. But I suspect that person wasn’t her.


60 posted on 08/18/2017 6:07:28 PM PDT by Yardstick
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