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UK: Deputy Chief Constable: Do not Arm Yourself, Run and Hide
Gun Watch ^ | 14 June, 2017 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 06/23/2017 5:49:52 AM PDT by marktwain

English gun store


In the U.K., the mere idea that licensed gun owners could be considered a resource to defend against terrorist attack, is off the table.

A caller to a BBC radio show, a gun store owner and gun owner, asked Alison Hernandez, the Cornwall Police and Crime Commissioner, a question.  What would be the repercussions of legal gun owners using guns to defend themselves in a terrorist attack? The Commissioner suggested that the idea should be examined. From theguardian.com:
“If there should ever be a terrorist attack, what happens if I and other people try to defend themselves using those guns? What would be the repercussions?”

Hernandez replied that it was a “a very good question” and asked the woman if she would put it in writing so that the chief constable, Shaun Sawyer, could consider it. But she then added: “This might be some of our solution to our issues.” 
The Deputy Chief Constable Paul Netherton immediately put an end to any thought such an idea should be considered. From devon-cornwall.police.uk:
The following statement is in response to an interview given today, Monday 12 June, to BBC Radio Cornwall by Police and Crime Commissioner, Alison Hernandez, where it was discussed whether or not registered firearms licence holders could be of assistance to police during a terrorist attack.
(snip)
“Under no circumstances would we want members of the public to arm themselves with firearms, not least because officers responding would not know who the offenders were, and quite obviously they would not have the time to ask.
“Our message to the public is a simple one: to run, to hide and to tell.
The Deputy Chief Constable never allows any possibility of self-defense. If self-defense with guns is seen as legitimate, the entire scheme of victim disarmament in the UK falls apart.

Consider. A gun store owner in the U.K. is not allowed to defend themselves with a gun, at least not in any planned way.  According to U.K. law, a gun may not be kept in a ready condition in order to protect against attack.  It might seem that a Jihadi attack in the U.K. countryside would be implausible.  How about an attack on a undefended gun store?

The rigorous citizen disarmament scheme in the U.K. was never about crime. It was always about fear of a revolution.

The dogma of a disarmed citizenry has become holy writ to the British governing elite.  It must never be questioned.  Anti-rights activists in the U.S. should be asked if gun shop owners should be able to defend their shop with a gun.

"Under no Circumstances" is the answer if the U.S. follows the path of British gun control.

©2017 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; terrorism; uk
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To: marktwain
They must have deleted the last part of his message...

Which was probably...

Run, Hide, Tell, Go online, Order candles, flowers and teddy bears.

21 posted on 06/23/2017 6:21:00 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: marktwain

to run, to hide and to tell.
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yeah your back makes a better target

where ya gonaa hide youre out in the open street

wheres the police to tell ??? theres only the terrorists to talk to

and they don’t care...


22 posted on 06/23/2017 6:21:27 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Thank You Rush

Why do they even have gun stores in the UK when citizens aren’t allowed to buy/own them? They can have them as long as they store/keep them elsewhere and not in their homes?


They are still allowed to own some kinds of shotguns and some kinds of rifles.

They have to ask permission to do so, and the permission has to be renewed every so often.

But, follow all the rules, jump through all the hoops, and if the Constable thinks you are OK, you can own a gun.


23 posted on 06/23/2017 6:23:47 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain

Generally the Brits have always been pathetic....but now they are beyond that.


24 posted on 06/23/2017 6:26:33 AM PDT by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocket.l)
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To: marktwain

Generally the Brits have always been pathetic....but now they are beyond that.


25 posted on 06/23/2017 6:26:34 AM PDT by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocket.l)
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To: Morpheus2009

> That sounds pathetic. <

It sure does. And the Run-Tell-Hide thing, that’s not something the constable made up on the spur of the moment. It’s official policy. Here it is on a City of London police site:

https://www.cityoflondon.police.uk/advice-and-support/countering-terrorism/Pages/stay-safe.aspx

But it gets even worse. Can a UK citizen even carry pepper spray to defend himself? Nope. Only rape alarms are fully legal. From the link below:

You must not get a product which is made or adapted to cause a person injury. Possession of such a product in public (and in private in specific circumstances) is against the law.

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q589.htm


26 posted on 06/23/2017 6:34:04 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Morpheus2009

Why do you think we are not British any more?

Pussies!!


27 posted on 06/23/2017 6:34:19 AM PDT by Delta 21
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To: marktwain

““Under no circumstances would we want members of the public to arm themselves with firearms, not least because officers responding would not know who the offenders were, and quite obviously they would not have the time to ask.”

This has been disproven here in the US.


28 posted on 06/23/2017 6:51:12 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: marktwain

We already have this in Los Angeles, last summer there was an armed break in in Reseda, the Homeowner managed to shoot the thug, the Chief of Police came on TV and warned the Public about trying to DEFEND Themselves against Criminals and cautioned the Public to hide in a closet instead and call 911 so they can come get your dead body.


29 posted on 06/23/2017 7:16:39 AM PDT by eyeamok (Idle hands are the Devil's workshop)
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To: marktwain

Don’t forget to put your skirts on before you run and hide!


30 posted on 06/23/2017 7:41:47 AM PDT by chris37 (Donald J. Trump, Tom Brady, The Patriots... American Destiny!)
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To: marktwain

The 300,000,000 privately owned weapons in this country are the reason tyranny will never flourish here. And its also the reason no program to grab those guns will ever have the slightest chance of success.


31 posted on 06/23/2017 7:53:24 AM PDT by Uncle Sam 911
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To: Morpheus2009

And these are the descendants of the longbow archers of Agincourt?


32 posted on 06/23/2017 8:10:13 AM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: CarolAnn

Run, hide tell? Sounds like hide and go seek.


33 posted on 06/23/2017 8:11:36 AM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: rrrod

As individuals they are fantastic! Its the governments they elect that suck in long strokes.


34 posted on 06/23/2017 8:14:38 AM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: N. Theknow

Not exactly the Englishmen of Rorke’s Drift!


35 posted on 06/23/2017 8:18:13 AM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: Uncle Sam 911

It flourished for 8 years.


36 posted on 06/23/2017 8:19:11 AM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: marktwain

And let them find you and gun you down.


37 posted on 06/23/2017 8:22:43 AM PDT by SkyDancer (You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: Uncle Sam 911
The 300,000,000 privately owned weapons in this country are the reason tyranny will never flourish here. And its also the reason no program to grab those guns will ever have the slightest chance of success.

Probably the most important thing we can do long term is to make sure the next generation and the generation after that have shooters too - lots of shooters, the same proportion as our generation if we can get there. That's as important as preventing confiscation or its prerequisite of registration today. The Ctrl-Left thinks long term, and they would be thrilled to disarm us now, but they would also be happy to see shooting fade as a percentage of the population so they can disarm us in 40 years or even 80 years.

Run and hide? No. Not me, not my children, and not my grandchildren as they come along. Not the Scouts (what's left of that once great program), and not the other youth of my (pathetically liberal) area. Never. As an NRA certified pistol, rifle, and shotgun instructor, I have been making an effort and will continue making an effort to reach out to more future shooters. This isn't about bringing in customers for a class to get a little extra money, it's about introducing future generations to a lifestyle and to the concept of self-reliance - the exact opposite of liberalism. There is nothing more political or more important than keeping responsible shooting alive as part of American culture.

38 posted on 06/23/2017 8:24:13 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: marktwain
Self-Defense for Dummies
39 posted on 06/23/2017 8:27:47 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Uncle Sam 911

The 300,000,000 privately owned weapons in this country are the reason tyranny will never flourish here. And its also the reason no program to grab those guns will ever have the slightest chance of success.


It is over 400,000,000 now.

But “never” is a very long time. We put up with government intrusions the founders would never have imagined.

Taxes taken directly from your pay, before you see it.

Requirements to show I.D. before you can travel to other countries.

The idea that you had to get government permission to buy a gun would have been ridiculed.

Eternal vigilance is required. Mindset is more important than armament.

Armament is important to build mindset.


40 posted on 06/23/2017 8:29:56 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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