Posted on 06/11/2017 7:06:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Eliminating the Problem
How difficult is it to test autonomous vehicles (AVs) on public roads? Uber can probably tell you all about it. Much of the difficulty in obtaining the permits necessary for such tests comes from fear. Because self-driving technology is new, because the systems have been involved in incidents in the past, and so on, people aren’t quite ready to trust the tech.
The governor of Washington state, however, has a different perspective. Governor Jay Inslee signed an order on Wednesday that would allow for autonomous vehicle tests without a human driver behind the wheel. According to the governor’s official blog, the order could allow these tests to begin within the next two months. Self-driving system developers can already apply for permits for pilot program tests through the state’s Department of Licensing.....
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Shit!!!!
Nobody, at best that’s negligent homicide. Same as if an elevator freaks out.
I see millions of unemployed people who will not have other jobs available to them.
Interesting. As commuting time will be decreased, will this cause people to move closer to the inner cities or further away?
Interesting. As commuting time will be decreased, will this cause people to move closer to the inner cities or further away?
Very hard to know. Could go either way, or both, depending on the city and situation.
My PC is top of the line and exceeds the specs of all autonomous car systems. It crashed today. No biggie. Of course, I was sitting in my studio and not driving through a school zone... people think these things are made at Hogwarts and run on fairy poots.
We should focus on reducing Fed req.s so that poor ppl can buy cars again.
What makes you so sure—the Oracle at Delphi?
There is a shortage of long haul truckers now.
The luddites have always resisted progress, but this will be more gradual. I suspect, for example, that there will be a demand for drivers at endpoints for final maneuvering, and regulatory brakes applied. We had firemen on trains for decades after there were no fireboxes.
Lawsuits waiting to happen. Lawyers warming up in the bullpen; operators standing by, waiting to take your call...
What could possibly go wrong?
50 DEFECTS
There are 50 defects of just one driverless gadget mounted on a vehicle. These products destroy tires, alignments, and eventually lives.
This is big tobacco lawsuits all over again. Eventually the Congress will grant computer cars special privileges and immunities from their carnage, that we humans do not get.
My PC is top of the line and exceeds the specs of all autonomous car systems. It crashed today. No biggie. Of course, I was sitting in my studio and not driving through a school zone... people think these things are made at Hogwarts and run on fairy poots.
Autonomous vehicles have been driving on the streets for decades already. They do not have fallible humans putting contradictory and nonsense instructions into them. They are ot connected to the Internets, a major source of malware and viruses. They have excellent safety records.
Does this mean that if I buy a driverless car, I can now sit in the back seat and read a novel? I’d finally have my own personal invisible chauffeur? WOW!
What makes you so sure—the Oracle at Delphi?
Intelligence guided by past experience, to quote Rush.
There are so many issues that make this a utopian futurama fantasy.
- detecting road edges in low light, poor marking conditions
- navigating in snow, ice or heavy storm conditions (road edges again)
- finding parking spaces in cities or shopping areas.
- hazard avoidance (blown tires on your car, another one, or a semi)
- general car failure issue handling
- last second decisions (”oh, I want this rest area!”)
- numerous more scenarios I’m not gonna list
(One way to resolve the lane issue is to embed detectable markers in the road... that is, EVERY road... that cars could detect at speed (even if covered by ice) for lane alignment. You can imagine the cost/extent of this effort.)
This truly only works as an all-or-none system...and if the same software is used universally so that vehicles can (a) communicate intentions to one another, (b) react in predictable ways to the same road situations, (c) manage high traffic situations.
But the idea that everyone would yield control to make this happen is absurd... unless you force it on the population (I could see this happening in Europe).
The first death in a driverless car was in a Tesla.
True driverless cars and especially large trucks will have to have centralized control and tracking systems. Which means they’ll be vulnerable to hacking and the fun will begin. The hackers and thieves and hijackers will be hard at work developing ways to defeat the systems and usher in a new form of auto thievery and general theft.
The general idea might prove viable, but there will be many problems to be overcome.
“Nobody, at best that’s negligent homicide. Same as if an elevator freaks out.”
Totally different situation and absolutely untested in the Courts. Elevators are simple machines that run a linear route on a track system.
They also break, often. Very unreliable.
...Versus an extremely complicated, multi directional wheeled machine operating in an open, changing environment.
Have you seen what occurs when mud gets on the lenses of the operating cameras and/or what it does when it’s given the choice of avoiding one child versus intentionally colliding with another vehicle to avoid the child? Fun stuff.
Your list is based on the logical fallicy that autonomous vehicles cannot take those condition into account.
Most of what you list, I know they already handle, from reading papers about the DARPA contests of autonomous vehicles from 20 years ago.
For example, the “road edges” fallacy. The first autonomous vehicles in the DARPA competitions were not even on *paved” roads, let along roads with marked edges.
Autonomous vehicles have far *superior* senses to humans, and they observe around the vehicle in 360 degees all the time, not with momentary glances in mirrors like humans do.
“People like me who think this is decades from viability”
I’m one of “those” people too.
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