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Mozart's Unmanliness Disgusts Me
Music Choice. Classical Masterpieces ^ | 3/25/2027 | CharlesOconnell

Posted on 03/25/2017 6:45:56 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell

A fussy, effete lttle man, whose own character is well expressed by that of the protagonist in Don Giovanni, going through life transfixed with his own navel (but that's too high).

In violin concerto no. 5 in A major, he's using the noble instrument of Stradivarius, Guarneri and Amati as his own pudenda, a prolonged act of cultural onanism. His failure even to attempt to approach God in emulation of the Blessed angels, shows how granting the boon of total, infused knowledge is casting pearls before swine to a corrupt little human.

He lived as if his genius had been his own invention, as if the gift of glimpsing God's music with his angelic children (see Music of the Ainur, Silmarillion, Tolkien), instead of a being a supreme gift, personally justified and legitimized him.

At first I was mystified that Wagner despised Mozart. But Wagner regarded his own musical gift a negligible, just a platform for his dramatic presentations.

Your talent is God's gift to you. You can't become autonomous by straining against the traces, trying to use genius to become your own god. The greatest creature, Lucifer, the light bearer, came to think of himself as The Light.

Listening to all of Mozart's piano sonatas in order of composition, you see the shock of his discovery of Sebastian Bach, a man who lived humility in his motto Only For the Glory of God, soli Deo Gloria. Mozart started composing the most stilted, artificial piano sonatas in Sebatian's style, veering off course from his own path to seeing God's course for his life. The minuetto of the Jupiter, his last symphony, beneath the facile elegance of the greatest classic polyphony, shows the eyes of despairing, pathetic little man who couldn't live up to the singular gift which had been granted to him, because he tried to use it for self-worship instead of its true purpose, glorifying the Almighty.


TOPICS: Arts/Photography
KEYWORDS: amadeus; crap; garbage; stupid; ugh
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To: Lazamataz

Enemaman is ok but what about Snoopy Snoopy Poop Dog? Our Cultcha has come so far.


41 posted on 03/25/2017 7:31:33 AM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: CharlesOConnell

“2027”

Dude, are you posting my from the future?

Have you discovered the s frets if time travel?

Are you or have you ever been, in fact, an alien??


42 posted on 03/25/2017 7:32:38 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: miss marmelstein

I would rather tell of my favorite works rather than composers.

Some of those who composed things I consider genius also produced a fair amount of drivel.
It’s like picking out a favorite Quarterback.
You might like Joe Montana or Bart Starr or (gag!) Brett Fav-ray, but even though they had brilliant games they also all had some fumbles and interceptions.

(I will now turn off my blender, having sufficiently mixed my metaphor.)

That said - I love The Ring Cycle, Mussorgsky’s Boris Gudunov (the Christoff/Cluytens production) Turandot & Tosca (but particularly when Richard Tucker has the lead) and Little Mary Sunshine.


43 posted on 03/25/2017 7:32:52 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: CharlesOConnell

Mozart an imperfect musical genius. I choose to enjoy his music vs small minded bashing of a great composer.


44 posted on 03/25/2017 7:34:34 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny (agent Able Deplor))
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To: Gene Eric
"Never much cared for Mozart’s work — too mechanical and tedious."

Too many notes?


45 posted on 03/25/2017 7:36:20 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Ex Scientia Tridens)
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To: equaviator
Rahsaan Roland Kirk...

...approves of your post.

46 posted on 03/25/2017 7:36:58 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

I like Wagner as well, some Puccini. My husband is a huge Verdi fan. We were lucky to see Nabucco with Placido in December. How I’d love to see another Mozart without going broke.


47 posted on 03/25/2017 7:43:08 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: shibumi

Had Maurice Ravel not suffered his stroke, I think he would have continued to produce even more brilliant works. Same with George Gershwin (if you haven’t had the chance, listen to his Piano Concerto in F).


48 posted on 03/25/2017 7:43:08 AM PDT by COBOL2Java ("Game over, man, game over!" (my advice to DemocRATs))
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To: shibumi

All fine I’m sure, but not a patch on Ozzy’s “Diary of a Madman” album.


49 posted on 03/25/2017 7:45:56 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: miss marmelstein; CharlesOConnell

“And if one hasn’t heard Enzio Pinza in The Marriage of Figaro, one probably doesn’t know what I’m talking about.”

No, that’s fine, you’re right. Mozart was a young, urban guy. Also a super genius.

And all that aside, not every guy has to be super macho, not every gal has to be Sophia Loren.

Let’s not sexualize/politicize everything. That is how we get all this gender bending crap.


50 posted on 03/25/2017 7:46:18 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Gene Eric

“...too mechanical and tedious.”

Too many notes?


51 posted on 03/25/2017 7:47:19 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: OKSooner

“we’ve got to like really give up Tchaikovsky too”

NEVER! He is my #1 fave. OMG I love him best!


52 posted on 03/25/2017 7:48:54 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: CharlesOConnell

Pudenda - nice....


53 posted on 03/25/2017 7:49:04 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: CharlesOConnell

Good grief. What a piece of dreck.


54 posted on 03/25/2017 7:50:59 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: CharlesOConnell

Is that you, Salieri?


55 posted on 03/25/2017 7:51:20 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: Lazamataz

“Eminem is pretty good.”

LOL, I’m pretty sure my kid has me on “Periscope” averring that Eminme is like Mozart.

Doing “Rock God” - I stand by it.


56 posted on 03/25/2017 7:52:51 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307

What are you talking about? I was talking about Pinza, you’re talking about sex or something. This thread is WEIRD.


57 posted on 03/25/2017 7:54:29 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: CharlesOConnell; Owen
The minuetto of the Jupiter, his last symphony, beneath the facile elegance of the greatest classic polyphony, shows the eyes of despairing, pathetic little man who couldn't live up to the singular gift which had been granted to him, because he tried to use it for self-worship instead of its true purpose, glorifying the Almighty.

Sheesh. What mortal man could live up to such a gift? The below is from a post that Owen made to a Mozart-related thread back in December:

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"The final number is K.620something.

620 published works. Some of them are Operas well over an hour long. Symphonies of 4 movements, and the 4 count as only 1 K(ochel) number. The 4 movements are just 1 of the 620. The 27 Piano Concertos . . . 3-4 movements each. Each one well over an hour long.

And he died at 35. No computers with music composition tools. He had his brain, a piece of paper and a quill pen to dip in inkwells. Look at those numbers above and think about how many times that quill pen was dipped and how many notes were put on the paper..."

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My father loved classical music and I gained a great appreciation of it from him and from my mother, a talented pianist. Dad preferred the heavier works of Shostakovich and Rachmaninoff, but he certainly respected Mozart - especially his later compositions. Dad saw Amadeus on cable TV and thought it did a good job of capturing the near-insanity of that level of genius.

And then there's the "If you don't have something good to say about someone, perhaps you shouldn't say anything at all" factor - which you should have learned long ago.

58 posted on 03/25/2017 7:54:30 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: SkyDancer

...bump....


59 posted on 03/25/2017 7:54:34 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: COBOL2Java

Cool story, nothing better that good choral stuff. Hello “Messiah” !


60 posted on 03/25/2017 7:55:56 AM PDT by jocon307
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