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Mozart's Unmanliness Disgusts Me
Music Choice. Classical Masterpieces ^ | 3/25/2027 | CharlesOconnell

Posted on 03/25/2017 6:45:56 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell

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To: CharlesOConnell

FREEBIRD!


101 posted on 03/25/2017 9:25:41 AM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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To: virgil

I guess you can find quirks in any composition - to me Chopin is the most relaxing but I guess some will find fault with him as well.


102 posted on 03/25/2017 9:26:30 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Ambition Without Talent Is Sad, Talent Without Ambition Is Worse)
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To: Mariner

I’m probably older than you and have been going to the opera probably longer than you. And I suppose you think only fags like ballet as well. It’s what makes FR so cultural, eye-roll.


103 posted on 03/25/2017 9:27:13 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

“And I suppose you think only fags like ballet as well.”

Not at all!

I know most women with a taste for high art like it too.


104 posted on 03/25/2017 9:30:21 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Charles Martel

The movie Amadeus was GARBAGE.

It was based on a totally false premise.

And Mozart, who had one of the great mentalities in the history of mankind, was depicted as a giggling idiot.


105 posted on 03/25/2017 9:30:40 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: Sirius Lee

LOL! Was thinking the same.


106 posted on 03/25/2017 9:31:38 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (****happy dance**** BIGLY!!!! Shadilay!)
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To: miss marmelstein

AND I’m betting you have a genetically encoded aversion to Wagner opera.


107 posted on 03/25/2017 9:33:02 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Charles Martel

Interesting. That post is not too very scholarly.

Symphony 41, Jupiter, was written because Constanze was sick and Mozart had to be at home, rather than out hunting for concert gigs or students.

There was no commission for that symphony. None. No reason to think it would ever be paid for.

He churned it out as one of the final 3 because he had nothing better to do. Business was bad in Vienna. A very expensive war with the Turks had started in February of 1788 and was sucking money away from pretty much everything. But he wrote it anyway. Narcissism among the poor composers? Nah, no evidence of it. His letters never really self congratulated beyond one note to Nannurl written as a young teen in which he added letters after his sign off at the bottom, letters that stood for the award the Pope had just given him.

If guys are going to indulge in analysis, they have to do more work.


108 posted on 03/25/2017 9:34:27 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Mariner; miss marmelstein

Haydn, Beethoven, Schubert, Chopin, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Liszt, Tschaikowsky, Brahms preferred Mozart.

But of course they were not asses when it came to music.


109 posted on 03/25/2017 9:34:34 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: COBOL2Java

Awesome.


110 posted on 03/25/2017 9:36:20 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (****happy dance**** BIGLY!!!! Shadilay!)
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To: Mariner

I love Wagner. The only composer of opera whose work I don’t always appreciate is Puccini. It’s not because I’m a broad, stupid, ignorant, brilliant or otherwise. It’s just a question of taste. And, in this, we are all different.


111 posted on 03/25/2017 9:40:31 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: BlueLancer; jocon307
Tumeni Notes
112 posted on 03/25/2017 9:49:03 AM PDT by real saxophonist ( YouTube + Twitter + Facebook = YouTwitFace.com)
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To: Fightin Whitey

LOL! Just skimming through, I felt I was reading the ramblings of a strangely God-oriented deconstructionist.

(I think the real self-abuse was my sticking through it...)


113 posted on 03/25/2017 9:49:46 AM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: CharlesOConnell

Lot of fine composers mentioned here but I think Vivaldi was one of the finest.
Both Bach and Handel studied Tony’s compositions.


114 posted on 03/25/2017 9:51:13 AM PDT by Original Lurker
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To: shibumi

Cool, daddy. Like, dig those crazy horns!


115 posted on 03/25/2017 9:55:57 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: CharlesOConnell

I didn’t get all that while listening to his music. This article didn’t help with music appreciation. It did tell me that the author of the article is a useless idiot, pissing into the wind.


116 posted on 03/25/2017 9:56:58 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Islam mandates warfare against unbelievers and is absolutely incompatible with Western society.)
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To: CharlesOConnell

Freebird!!!


117 posted on 03/25/2017 9:59:43 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: shibumi

In other words. Pop music. That’s why people like it.


118 posted on 03/25/2017 10:00:29 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Flinging poo is not a valid argument)
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To: metmom

“Don’t you just love how many people are experts in fields they don’t know anything about?”

There is a little sub-industry in music of generating text for concert brochures. People write this and that and use words like texture and sublime to suggest that what they are saying means anything whatsoever.

They have nothing to say, and get paid to say it.

You have to study maybe a minimum of 5 biographies from music scholars to know what was going on in Mozart’s brain. You need 5 because some biographers get things wrong, too.

Here are some Mozart items for folks:

Constanze Mozart was pregnant 6 times in less than 9 years of marriage. Only two of those kids lived past childhood, almost certainly because she often travelled with Wolfgang, leaving a baby at home with a paid wetnurse. This denied the child the mother’s antibodies and got them sick.

On the evening of the death of one of the children, Wolfgang composed a presto movement. Bouncy, happy music.
His brain was a music machine, segregated from his own emotion.

Wolfgang’s portrayal as an obscene, vulgar creature in the play Amadeus was based in solid research. His letters were filled with obscenities. But. Even deeper research reveals that his father intended to compile all his letters together and publish them as a book, to make money. Wolfgang objected. His defense against it was the obscenities.

As mentioned previously, if you can’t measure it, it’s not science. 620something published works. “Analysis” from people pointing at this or that phrase or key are entirely influenced by the prevalence of thought at the particular time they are pontificating. Piano Concerto 20 was worshipped in the 1800s. It’s not his “favorite” now. Probably will be again eventually.

It’s a little bit like sports. The numbers are about the only true measure you have of X vs Y. Differing film speeds from yesteryear don’t allow a true judgement of how fast one player was vs another or how much he had eaten that day and what he weighed. So all you have is their numbers.

41 symphonies, 27 piano concertos, died at age 35, numerous letters begging Michael Puchberg for this many ducats and this many florins of “loan”, on the same date, composing a sonata, so many bottles of ink, so many miles travelled to find work elsewhere.

This is better analysis than tripe about what something sounds like.


119 posted on 03/25/2017 10:01:28 AM PDT by Owen
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To: shibumi

Why doesn’t the author write some better music?


120 posted on 03/25/2017 10:10:10 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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