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In the interests of putting some things to bed:

1) No, Mike Pence can’t ignore the Parliamentarian. This would be the mechanism in effect of making all bills budget reconciliation bills. That obviously is just a way to kill the filibuster in the Senate. It would not get even 10 votes. That’s why this proposal has already been dismissed as a non starter.

2) You can stop filibuster in ways not requiring 60 votes? No. You can’t. People are saying this via the Two Speech Rule. Senators are limited to 2 speeches per legislative day on a given subject. So glory be, you can require them to talk, they’re only allowed to talk twice and you shut them down without 60 votes! Bullshit. Completely wrong.

Senators are allowed to offer amendments to a bill. They can then give two speeches on each amendment. A minority can propose zillions of amendments. You CAN limit the number of amendments (NO senators like being limited in amendments) but then if you do that, senators can raise points of order and give two speeches on those. No limit on points of order.

Here’s discussion of this from 2010, when the Dems were raging at the power of the GOP filibusters.

https://shadowproof.com/2010/02/12/talking-filibuster-enforcing-%E2%80%9Ctwo-speech-rule%E2%80%9D-will-not-fix-broken-senate/

Bottom line: THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. If there were a way around 60 votes that does not constrain to Reconciliation, the Dems would have used it. There is nothing new under the sun in all this. The GOP is not going to discover any genius maneuver. The Dems would have discovered it in 2010 if there were.

The Filibuster is what spared the country from a single payer Canada NHS style healthcare plan. Only the Filibuster and Scott Brown stopped that. You will not find even 10 votes to kill the Filibuster for non USSC issues.


10 posted on 03/22/2017 9:27:26 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Owen

Veruca Salt conservatives want it all NOW and are willing to self destruct if they don’t get it.

Realistic conservatives understand how much of a mess this is and are willing to take every step in the right direction possible, even if they hate the current bill.

And with the current cell of RINOs, this may be the best we can do right now.

It sucks, but that’s the way it is.


12 posted on 03/22/2017 9:34:45 AM PDT by Luircin (Dancing in the streets! Time to DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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