Posted on 02/04/2017 7:55:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
Dear FReepublicans,
I thought I remembered some time back when I heard about a racket that some H1B heavy contracting firms were carrying out. They would mistreat their (typically India Indian) workers and they would not dare complain because if they did, they'd be fired on some bizarre pretext and back to India they would have to go. Does anyone have any sources about this they can point me to? I think I may be looking at a situation where this is happening. Now yes, I know they took our jerbs, etc. So many may not care. But I have this weird Christian way of caring. Plus, the Indians of good will -- the very ones who might want to buck a corrupt system -- might also want to be team players here. Would this be such a thing that could have a whistle blown about? (Qui tam etc.)
Disney just let go of a lot of tech people. They had to train their incoming replacements or not receive severance pay. I enjoy Walt Disney World however I will never go back there again nor will I ever buy another product from them.
Infosys was an abuser of the H1B system. Most companies from India once they get a position in the company rotate the position between many different people. I have found many individuals from India claim to have over seven years of experience in India but when they come here its all a lie. I know one manager who took his PMP and I guarantee he did not have over 7500 hours of project experience. This was evident. They all claim to have seven years of experience no matter who you talk to.
Are you f*cking kidding me? I’ve been a software engineer for 31 years. The abuse of the system is insane. The last place I contacted for would only hire Indians, me and another guy were the only two white guys there. When I got my perm offer I went to them and laid things on the table and it was a no go. I was too expensive for them and they hired an H1B to replace me. I’ve seen this crap for 20 years now.
I don’t know where you’re located but perhaps your area doesn’t have a lot of software people. That business sounds eclectic, maybe you were unwilling to give people unfamiliar with that particular niche a chance to learn it.
There are a lot of white, black and hispanic engineers out there looking for work. They are willing to relocate. Eff your company.
I may add that I was laid off from a company that out sourced to India. The results were absolute garbage.
Two months later I got that contracting job. I left there to go to a small company (less than 50 people) and we don’t out source a damn thing. Amazingly enough we get quality code and quality QA.
There are VERY few Indians worth a damn in my experience over the past 20+ years since the H1B system has been abused.
The H1B visa program needs to go away. Period. End of story.
Among all the horror stories, the worst is the case of a mid-size company trying to compete with the big boys and attempting to do what the big boys do by hiring H1B visas from India. Multiple phone interviews with the candidate, sounds solid, etc.
The person who physically showed up in the US wasn’t the same person they spoke to on the phone. Sure, the passport and immigration papers said it was the same person, but the person who showed up barely spoke English and didn’t have any of the experience. It was a switch scam.
Since the program is indentured servitude and this happens all the time, it needs to be eliminated completely and regular legal immigration strengthened.
Well said!
I barely encounter any problems in the IT field, I've always been very gainfully employed. The only hard time I've encountered was summer of last year, when I emerged from the CDC to find out that technology had raced forward in the 7 years I had languished in classic .NET and aspx. It took some time but I am getting better at the newer tech, and now I seem to be able to garner enough interest to be hired in days (should I come on the market).
Well-spoken, well-written Americans who are technically competent are still in demand. I do accept somewhat less than others, in terms of salary, to remain competitive. I'm not as cheap as an H1B, but I am cheaper than most of my peers... on purpose.
“I have run into no Muslim Indian H1-Bs.”
We’ve got two at our shop and one Kashmiri and I’d put them on a plane tonight if I could.
90% of the Infosys folks I have worked with are barely entry level.....
The idea that there are not enough qualified, competent American citizens who can do IT; not just programming and software development, but also infrastructure, datacenter management and database technologies is not true.
There are, but there just not willing to work for low wages. It takes a massive amount of time and money to retain competencies, and such efforts are supposed to show a reward of a well paying job, and if not, why bother?
The discrimination against white males is profound, and especially white males in their 40s and 50s.
Case in point, the Disney IT HB1 Scam:
The happening at Disney was not some one-off thing, but rather indicative of the entire industry among the bigger firms.
Check here AND the comments. Lots of personal stories, too:
https://betanews.com/2015/06/16/the-h-1b-visa-program-is-a-scam/
I've only got one anecdotal data point for you. One of my boys was ABD (all but dissertation) in physical chemistry. He "mastered out" of the program for reasons that aren't relevant here. Very good with computers.
He took a job with a seismic oil exploration company in Houston for a couple of years, and described H1B abuse to me in great detail.
When the program was initiated, they set a wage level for H1Bs of 60K in 1989, which was then a high wage, and in line with the idea that these workers were essential, and couldn't be found in the US.
That wage level hasn't been changed since, which means that H1Bs compete directly with our college graduates. Normally I'd say competition is good, but there's a side issue. If an H1B loses his job, he has to leave the country; but if he lasts 3 years (maybe its 4, I'm not sure), he can get a green card and be on even footing with Americans.
What does that mean? It means that an H1B shop (mostly H1B workers) can demand 70 or 75 hours of work from everyone in the company, because the H1B's have no choice but to do it.
It's very discouraging to American STEM workers, because they are treated like crap. They have to work ridiculous hours, no overtime, and they are often treated worse than their foreign co-workers in terms of promotions because the bosses are of foreign origin, too.
I might add that before I retired, I had a technical business, and we had a couple of H1Bs. However, they were hired because they walked in the door when we were hiring. They weren't preferentially sought out. So, when my boy described the working conditions, at first I was dubious--but as he filled in details, I believed.
Sir, You are foul mouthed, crude and rude. I would not hire somebody with your manners and disposition regardless of how good you were. I was not trying to hire cheap, I was trying to find qualified people. We were in Boston. Plenty of techies, but we were specialized, small and with unpredictable demand for programming support.
In my experience, salaries for H1B visas reflected the market (it did 8 years ago, anyway). Again, I am open to data but not to insults and venom.
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