What any lib I am talking to drops that line, they are feeling cornered and are looking for an out of the conversation. Typically, they then skip to other topics, and when fail to again provide a cogent response, they jump to another topic. When I steer them back to the original topic, they then get irritated. Depending on who it is (e.g., a sibling, relative, acquaintance, etc.), I will then back off and even help them to move along their side of the debate. But eventually, it again turns to drive-by shots on various topics. One needs to have some understanding of both sides of the topic. What is quite interesting is to have them argue YOUR side, and you argue THEIR side. HAH! They simply stare in shock! Absolutely no idea how to begin!!
True... we can venture into hypotheticals about their subject matter.
I got called a troll too. I took it in good humor and spoke of “trollery.”
Anyhow, there’s a point where the discussion is simply enough for the situation. If I push past that, I’ve made it about me. I am glad God is merciful, or every time I ventured into that region, things would immediately go to hell in a handcart. The reality is that the degradation of a situation under supervision of God can often be graceful. There is some window of opportunity in which to correct, and even the correction does not need to be perfect to be effectual.