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.357 Magnum vs 45ACP
Am Shooting Journal ^ | 1/6/2017 | J Hines

Posted on 01/06/2017 9:45:11 AM PST by w1n1

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To: smokingfrog

>>>Kind of bulky though, compared to a semi-auto<<<

Well, Kim Kardashian is kind of bulky but she is kind of pretty too. LOL


41 posted on 01/06/2017 10:41:32 AM PST by Kickass Conservative ( Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.)
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To: Disambiguator

A .357 is the sweet spot in the handgun world. Semi’s have their place but for power and fun there is no other.


42 posted on 01/06/2017 10:42:37 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: GingisK

>>>If you can’t decide, then you should own at least one of each<<<

That’s why God gave us two hands. #;^)


43 posted on 01/06/2017 10:43:08 AM PST by Kickass Conservative ( Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.)
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To: w1n1

Get both, practice a lot; hope you never have to use either.


44 posted on 01/06/2017 10:43:16 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: taxcontrol

Deeper holes beat all.


45 posted on 01/06/2017 10:43:47 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Sorry, but that is just not the case. Can’t make a hole of any kind if you aren’t carrying (Rule #1) and you can’t make a hole of any kind if you can’t hit accurately (Rule #1)

One can argue that a .44 mag or .454 or some other hand cannon will put a really deep hole in a person. The down side is that most humans are only 8 to 9 inches “thick” unless shot from the side. More than in penetration threatens over penetration and looses value. ESPECIALLY if you cant:

- carry because it is too big, too heavy, dont have a holster, etc
- operate the firearm (load, clear, fire, reload, remove a jam, etc)
- cant accurately shoot either the initial shot or the follow on shot.

A .22 that hits is worth a LOT more than the .44 mag that misses.


46 posted on 01/06/2017 10:50:21 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

Couldn’t agree with you more. Quick, accurate fire, and more bullets for the win in a life or death situation. If I’m having fun at the range shooting bowling pins, that’s a different matter.


47 posted on 01/06/2017 10:54:13 AM PST by strider44
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To: w1n1
With modern ammunition it really boils down to (1) carry what you can carry, and (2) carry what you can hit with. I'd rather be missed by a .50 AE than hit with a .22.

That said, I received a Smith 29 recently, and I'm still working on the script. Before you shoot somebody you gotta say, "I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, in all the excitement I kinda forgot myself. But being as how this is a .44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world...oh, wait, that isn't true anymore, but it's one of the most powerful...well, that sort of depends on the load, but it can be one of the most powerful handguns in the world with the right ammo and can blow your head clean off...well, I mean, not really all the way off but pretty near..." By the time you're through the disclaimer the guy has crawled away.

48 posted on 01/06/2017 10:58:47 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: taxcontrol

I can think of few faster ways to die than pulling a 32acp in a gun fight.
Field tests show a heavy jacket can block a 32acp.
Your data is wrong.


49 posted on 01/06/2017 10:59:25 AM PST by Zathras
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To: w1n1

Get the best of both worlds. Go Coonan Classic:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/07/robert-farago/the-return-of-the-coonan-357-automatic/


50 posted on 01/06/2017 11:02:18 AM PST by DarthVader ("These lying tyrants are about to get hit with a tsunami of destruction on their evil reign." Gaffer)
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To: Kickass Conservative

51 posted on 01/06/2017 11:02:37 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: BipolarBob

I have a Mark II that is mostly unused for obvious reasons.


52 posted on 01/06/2017 11:14:01 AM PST by Disambiguator (Keepin' it analog.)
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To: w1n1

Desert Eagle 357 is bigger than a 1911. No way I packing that every day unless you are paying me.

Have carried 1911s and a Browning Hi-Power. My best and current warm and fuzzy is a Dan Wesson .357 with the snubby barrel and small grip.

Every day.


53 posted on 01/06/2017 11:15:06 AM PST by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: taxcontrol

There’s something screwy about the .32 (both .32 Long and .32 ACP) I think it may be the # of people shot - 25. Common sense says it isn’t the killer round that the stats are showing. I wonder what it would be if the # of people shot was 150.


54 posted on 01/06/2017 11:16:56 AM PST by B4Ranch (Conservatives own 200,000,000 guns and a trillion rounds of ammo. If we were violent you'd know it.)
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To: w1n1

For later.

L


55 posted on 01/06/2017 11:18:35 AM PST by Lurker (America burned the witch.)
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To: taxcontrol
I like your rules, but disagree with the FBI statistics. I watched a autopsy about 30 years ago on a homeless man while a medic in the military. He was shot in the head close enough to burn his hair, but it wasn't obvious why he was dead when we first got there. An X Ray showed the bullet about 2 inches into his brain high and to the rear of his ear. It was deduced that the guy was alive for several hours after he was shot. I put the .25 cal in the same bucket as the .32.

Later I was GIVEN a .32 because I certainly would have bought one. I went out to the country to shoot it and stood about 20 ft from a light pole. I hit the pole about 3 out of 5 shots and all that hit were stuck on the surface of the wood. It's possible that I hit the pole more and the lead fell off the pole. I would rather have a .22lr than a .32 or .25. A .380 is the least I would carry for self protection.

I agree that a hole of any size beats no hole, but a .32 needs to be within 5 ft and I'm not sure the guy would be knocked back with 3-4 shots.

Your mileage may vary, but I just had a bad history with .32. If you were going to carry for self protection, a cheap .380 is no more money than a .32. I would even have to weigh a .32 if it were free. Why carry anything? A sharp stick might be better.

56 posted on 01/06/2017 11:22:11 AM PST by chuckles
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To: w1n1

not a very good test..

should have both guns clamped on a table at the same time where the bullet paths make a triangle with the top cut off and hit the same target in two places.

insure that the head of the bullet is the same width

the BEST Target for them would be three reams of paper in the package...

then you count the pages that are pierced as each page is the same thickness, no grain, and three reams is enough to stop bullets.. (but not arrows, which have greater penetration than a 30.06)

if they use the reams of paper, they have a match for every test they do, and its a cheap test too... but much better


57 posted on 01/06/2017 11:29:54 AM PST by artfldgr
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To: Disambiguator

http://www.majesticarms.com/id10.html


58 posted on 01/06/2017 11:31:54 AM PST by BipolarBob (I thought money was burning a hole in my pocket but it was just my Samsung Galaxy 7.)
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To: rolling_stone

Richard Donner was never known for his gun literacy.
He’s a rabid gun grabber.


59 posted on 01/06/2017 11:32:30 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Daniel Ramsey; w1n1

Exactly correct. I have my Sig 938 loaded with Barnes Tac XPD in my front pants pocket, Condition 1.

It’s all the ammo now. .380 with the right rounds is more than enough to stop the fight. “Lucky Gunner” has posted a large file of a very well-conducted ammo tests. It stresses the points of penetration, expansion, wound cavity and avoiding over-penetration. It covers .380, 9mm, .40 and .45.

Very interesting data, complete with slo-mo wound cavity video. Remember, any round that leaves the body is wasting energy.

.45 is great, but generally too large for EASY concealed carry, and more than we need.

To me, .357 was and is highly overrated. It is nothing more than a .38 Special on steroids, almost guaranteed to over-penetrate and hit the little old lady coming out of early Mass 2 blocks away.


60 posted on 01/06/2017 11:33:16 AM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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