Posted on 10/03/2016 7:29:19 AM PDT by Sean_Anthony
I think those Netherland countries are pretty socialist, lol. Great Britain had a socialist government for many years and they ran it right into the ground.
I don’t think anyone is immune from the lure of communism, for some reason. It’s a virus, no one knows the cure and most don’t even question why there is no cure. Sad.
Definitely not! Politically speaking, the term "Rat Pack" refers to the blind followers of the Democrat Party propaganda, as "'Rat" is an abbreviation for "Democrat."
It’s amazing the number of liberal Jews I know who are utterly convinced that if some evangelic Republican gets power, he/she Republican will start conducting pogroms!
Also there will be forced “Christianization” of Jewish kids in school as well as other utterly irrational statements.
I remember one time bursting out laughing when I heard one say this with complete seriousness.
This nuttiness is almost like ‘Articles of Faith’ with them.
Try geography. Countries like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and Lithuania didn't "go Communist" on their own. The Russians imposed Communism on them.
You might have a good case for why France, Spain, and Italy had powerful Communist Parties while Britain, Holland, and Sweden didn't, but if those Protestant countries were further east, they might well have "gone Communist."
FWIW, the Communist Party USA was strong among Finnish-Americans, who were or had been Protestant.
Catholics in England or Australia and Protestants in France, like Jews here, tended to vote for the left, because they were regarded as outsiders by the majority.
The exception was Jews in Britain, who tended to vote Conservative, for a long time because they felt more like outsiders in the Labour Party than among the Tories.
Other ethnic groups (Irish, Italians, Slavs) that started out as Democrats moved closer to the Republicans as they moved up the social ladder.
Jews were slower to do so, particularly as politics came to be centered more on religion (which made them feel like outsiders again).
Eastern European Jews have more of a communal, nostalgic attachment to the Democratic Party than either German or Sephardic Jews.
My answer would be:
Some do most don’t.
Some believe the earth is flat, some people even believe in global warming!
What does that have to do with anything?
40% voting Republican is a good number for my tribe, believe it or not. In 1972, Jews voted 35% or so for Nixon, which is one of the highest percentages of Jews voting Republican since the Roosevelt days.
I agree with your comment and many of the above, overall it seems counterintuitive to non-Jews for Jews to be for any things, people, practices non-Jews think they “logically” should be against and vice versa. Why stridently support immigrants with such a large percent that cant and won’t tolerate living with the rest of us, with particular animus for Jews? Because you feel that you support them seeing them as persecuted as you once were but by and large you don’t live work or mix with them so you are inoculated from their hatred? Or that their seething is justified? Why cite religious freedom and patriotism in pushing that immigration on everyone while spearheading efforts to strike religious expression and patriotism from all public places, except for what the intolerant new immigrants believe? Why contradict the Judeo-Christian Commandment to not kill, with forethought , then forcefully en bloc be for abortion? Perhaps consciously or unconsciously considering the Talmudic concept that a child is not a child until outside the womb?
If it’s all just to create a new order to eliminate the (formerly) prejudiced Christians’ mores as societally predominant because it can be done through legal means, I could at least rationalize the motivation while not agreeing one bit. I just can’t reconcile tyranny of the minority via the justice system with democracy.
Looking at it from my particular Jewish perspective, I would agree that such concerns are irrational. Historical experience tells us that not that long ago we had an evangelical Republican in the White House for eight years, and nothing of the sort happened.
There is much more of a threat of violent antisemitism from three groups that the Democrats pander to - Moslems, radical African-Americans (e.g., Black Lives Matter), and radical Hispanics (e.g., La Raza) - than from evangelical Republicans.
Great point, but here's the difference:
The vast majority of whites --even people at FR-- find that the views of the Aryan Nations are repugnant. Racially reactionary whites are in the miniority. The recent inroads of BLM suggest a growing sympathy of blacks to the views of the Nation of Islam, but the average US black isn't a member of N.O.I.
But any conservative Jew at a large family reunion in the US can tell you he will find himself in the miniority. Probably 70-75% of Jews in the US vote Dem and strongly espouse liberal political causes, thus the old saw about "Jews earn like Espiscopalians but vote like Puerto Ricans". Patterns in Israel and Habad communities abroad are different, but the average Jew who at a Passover meal protests affirmative action and advocates for concealed carry will gradually find himself shunned.
Bizarrely, the Progressive Pressure factor is suicidally active even in such places as Sweden, where Jews are harassed or hunted down with metronimic regularity, in spite of their hard work to advance the interests of "migrants" [sic].
I LOVE JEWS LIKE U...!!!
So true it's worth repeating.
I realize that, and specifically said so. It would be about the same as Reagan's Jewish vote in 1980.
Trump seems to have an unusual appeal for a Republican with Jewish voters on a gut emotional level. He obviously relates well to Jews and works closely with them, and has that New Yawk accent, even at times a Yiddish intonation, believe it or not. Plus his children who are married all married Jews, and his daughter Ivanka converted to Judaism.
By contrast, the Witch has has been involved in several antisemitic rants during her and her husband's political careers and had that notorious embrace of Mrs. Arafat after the latter insulted the Jews of Israel. Plus being the Obama administration Secretary of State and supporting radical Islam around the Middle East should not endear her to any pro-Israel Americans, Jewish and non-Jewish alike.
The Jewish people were the first to give the world a basic sense of morality and ethics, and it would be totally counter to even a "liberal" Jewish perspective on these basic tenets to support an individual who is so obviously morally and ethically bankrupt.
#95. Your last line is great and should be the moral high ground stance of rational Jewish regardless of denomination.
Well worth repeating: “..it would be totally counter to even a “liberal” Jewish perspective on these basic tenets (of morality and ethics) to support an individual who is so obviously morally and ethically bankrupt”.
Unfortunately some of our religious brethren have become morally, ethically and/or intellectually bankrupt due to the subversion and perversion of our educational system, our religious leaders (some), and of politics in general.
It is time that we personally fought for our morals, ethics (The Teachings of Our Fathers), intellectual honesty, and for our country.
We are Jews but we are foremost AMERICANS. If America loses, Jews lose. Just look at history. Some of us learned this lesson years ago. I just wish my relatives in Europe who were slaughtered in Lemberg, Belzec and Auschwitz had looked a little harder at history and the word.
It would have been nice to see them, not just prayer over them.
“...How many Catholics voted for Zero knowing his support of late-term abortions and infanticide ...”
Too many, the damned idiots.
Pres. Ronald Reagan’s pro Israel reflexes were muted somewhat by his Vice President (who now endorsed Hillary Clinton). Just a throw away fact.
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Most people don't have such long range goals. They see a tug of war and don't want the other side to win, so they start pulling for the side that will do them less harm.
Small politically active elites have big visions of change, but most people just don't want the other side to win. That goes for Jews and gentiles and everybody else.
There are also time lags in politics. Jews (and others) wanted changes in the immigration laws back in 1965 because they saw their relatives as the ones excluded back in the '20s and kept out through the '30s.
Does that attitude to immigration apply to today? To some extent it does, because Jews are still thinking about Hitler and the Thirties and feeling excluded -- and not really focused on the present situation.
But Jewish attitudes may be changing, and because it takes time for the story to get out, it may take a while for observers to see the change.
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