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You also avoid calling the colonists' war a civil war, even though it fits your definition squarely.

Oh please! You stretch citizens of the same country to include an ocean-distant monarchy and its soldiers and mercenaries and expect me to swallow that? Ludicrous.

THAT was a revolution by unrepresented subjects. You just keep on equivocating and citing other historical events trying to justify the ridiculous statement you made in the first place. A basic not-event description of "civil war" need not include historical events to cling to.

Oh please! You stretch citizens of the same country to include an ocean-distant monarchy and its soldiers and mercenaries and expect me to swallow that? Ludicrous.

I used your definition. I expext you to swallow it or come up with a clear definition.

You make a distinction that really is not factual. That monarchy was in no sense ocean distant. The Colonists were British subjects at the time--albeit being treated as second class subjects, by the Parliament.

I am too busy right now to want to get drawn into a fight over historic definitions. Have business to attend to, and Trump campaigning to attend to. I only stopped by to see what was going on here with respect to the Trump campaign.

I will defend to my death the right of fellow Americans to argue over our history; but really our effort right now should be more towards working together in the spirit that Americans--both those who identified with the Blue & those who identified with the Grey--displayed in the World War II era, where public celebrations regularly combined both the playing of Dixie and The Battle Hymn of the Republic; both the Bonnie Blue Flag & When Johnny Came Marching Home.

General MacArthur in his beautiful exposition at West Point in 1962, clearly celebrated both groups of American soldiers; and I think that we should always do likewise.