Posted on 08/21/2016 11:27:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Hydrogen fuel-cell cars face an uphill battle toward mass adoption.
Both cars and fueling infrastructure need to be made widely available before large numbers of consumers can seriously consider switching from gasoline to hydrogen.
But under certain circumstances, hydrogen could prove very attractive to consumers for one simple reason.
When produced using renewable energy, hydrogen could cost nearly the equivalent of 50-cent-per-gallon gasoline, according to a study by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL).
That will only happen if "the stars align" and several factors work in hydrogen's favor, notes industry trade journal WardsAuto noted in a June report on the findings.
The NREL plan assumes large-scale production of hydrogen through electrolysis, but with renewable energy used to provide the majority of electricity in place of fuels that produce high levels of carbon emissions.
Thanks to anticipated emissions standards for power plants and other factors, the NREL anticipates much greater use of renewable energy in the coming decades. Renewable sources could generate as much as 80 percent of U.S. electricity by 2050 using currently-available technology, according to NREL data....
(Excerpt) Read more at greencarreports.com ...
Well granny can’t do it in 0regon as well as able body people.
8 Things You Need To Know About Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Cars
http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars.html
8. Where Would I Get Fuel?
A small network of hydrogen fuel stations will support the slow rollout of the vehicles that drive like battery-powered electric cars but get their fuel from a pump rather than a plug.
There are only 10 public stations today in California, but 17 more are under construction. The state has a hydrogen fuel plan that will see 68 stations strategically located in California’s Southern and Bay Area metropolitan regions by the end of 2017, with a goal of 100 stations by 2020.
Funding for construction, at an average of about $1.5 million per station, is being provided by grants from California’s Alternative and Renewable Fuel and Vehicle Technology Program.
A study by researchers at UC Irvine looked at street-level census and land-planning data and picked locations for each of the initial 68 stations. Developers of the university’s STREET hydrogen station plan say it will put a hydrogen station within a six-minute drive of 80 percent of the Californians who live in areas that, demographically, are those in which customers for fuel cells cars would most likely reside.
Beyond 2017, hydrogen backers plan for similar stations to be opened in other regions of the country that have proven themselves friendly to alternative-fuel vehicles. A private-public partnership called H2USA, formed in 2013 by the Department of Energy, is coordinating national plans.
The ultimate goal is a coast-to-coast and border-to-border network that will make owning and driving a fuel-cell vehicle as easy as owning and driving gasoline and diesel vehicles is today.
You posted that to make my case right? Because it sure does.
The same cannot be said of hydrogen.
Completely correct. When Lockheed's "Skunk Works" thought about building a Mach 3+ reconnaissance plane fueled by a rocket engine that used liquid hydrogen fuel back in the middle 1950's, the mere suggestion to the Burbank Fire Department that Lockheed was going to have small tanks of liquid hydrogen at the Lockheed factory in Burbank terrified the Burbank FD, given how massive an explosion of liquid hydrogen can be. Interestingly, while that project was shelved, Lockheed sold the cryogenic pumps it developed to Convair, which in turn used it on what became the Atlas rocket.
50 cents....plus the 2.50$ per gallon state tax, the 3.00$ per gallon federal tax, the EPA fees, the import duties, the legal fees of setting up hydrogen collectors (which are always passed on to the consumers)....
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OK, thanks! ;-)
Personal mobility is a big problem for statists.
That’s why the big push for “autonomous” vehicles.
They couldn’t force us all ont0 buses and trains, but they eventually will get most of us on transport pods that are controllable by big brother.
The three phase chart eg gas, liquid, solid.
Gasoline is a liquid at room temperature, hence convenient.
Natural Gas is liquid, I believe, if pressurized, is RTemp.
Hydrogen, unfortunately, can NEVER be a liquid at RTemp. If pressurized, it must ALSO be cooled down. Hence it is inconvenient for humans.
Hydrogen is NOT a liquid, even if pressurized, at human temperatures. High energy cost to cool it. Requires energy to store hydrogen over time.
Hydrogen, like the metric system, is AWFUL for everyday human living. But it is trendy progressive to jump on the bandwagon.
“The Highlander gas-electric hybrid gets about 27 under optimal conditions. The hydrogen-based Highlander? Sixty miles per gallon.”
Later in the article it is mentioned that the hydrogen costs $5 a kilogram, which theoretically contains approximately the same amount of btu’s as a gallon of gasoline. The thing that is not mentioned is how many kilos the author is talking about when he says that the hydrogen Highlander is getting 60 mpg using hydrogen. A gallon of gas weighs 2.72 kilos. My guess is that the author is talking about 2.72 kilos of hydrogen when he says he is talking mpg using hydrogen.
One would assume that the article that started the thread is trying to say that using alternative energy sources they will be able to get the cost of hydrogen down to $.50 a kilogram or one tenth as much as it costs today. But who knows?
Currently 95% of hydrogen produced comes from fossil fuels because it is multiple times cheaper than producing it through electrolysis. So my guess is that the original article is based on a bunch of theoretical assumptions that are typical of any type of reporting on alternative energy.
One reason reporters are reporters is because they didn’t want to take more math and physics, LOL.
The above link is a blow by blow of the Hindenburg tragedy, for those who have never really read the entire story..
Yes we do know what future energy paths look like. Physics creates uncrossable boundaries for future paths. The difference is between inventing unknown ideas and rigid physics.
The future of energy is here already. It is called hydrocarbons eg gasoline, because they exist convenient to humans’ body temperature.
Democrats NEVER compete because they always lose. So they invent scams because when spending Other People’s Money, ANY SCAM WINS!
Hydrogen will never replace hydrocarbon gasoline.
Never.
Only Nuclear fusion has higher energy.
EVERYTHING Democrats do is a scam to spend your loot: hydrogen, wind, alar, climate change, PBS, public school etc.
Hydrogen, like the metric system, is AWFUL for everyday human living.
I totally agree.
The auto biz converted to metric in the 80s and it works fine.
It will not cost .50 per gallon. Energy is required to separate H from O2. The useful energy is less than that needed to produce it.
The cost of building plants to get the “renewable “ energy was not factored in. The cost of the infrastructure was not either.
If it still were possible, they would add taxes to raise it to $4 per gallon.
Metric 10 is divisible by 5 & 1. That is clumsy for everyday use. Pico gallons of gasoline or Mega gallons is useless at the filling station.
English is divisible by 60, 30, 15, 12, 6, 3, 2, 1. That is everyday practical. We do not cut up the pizza in 0.333 slices. We half it, third it.
Teachers peddling metric is beyond ignorance. Anybody who peddles metric for everyday use is ignorant to the obvious.
Democrats should be shamed stupid until 6 feet under. And 6 is quite divisible.
Baloney squared. The US is in a slow but inevitable transition to metric. Industry is doing it now.
Helium and hydrogen are both very light. Helium is not flammable and hydrogen is explosive.
Helium is an excellent alternative for blimps etc. But not for an internal combustion engine.
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