Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

EV’s Won’t Kill Diesel – Electric Highways Will
Oilprice.com ^ | 14-07-2016 | Harvey

Posted on 07/14/2016 3:03:07 PM PDT by bananaman22

There are millions of trucks on the world’s highways at any given time, carrying cargo from one place to another and spewing diesel exhaust fumes. That’s how it’s been since the dawn of trucking, that’s how it still is. But that’s not necessarily how it will be in the future.

Electric trucks are a fact, though not a very popular one, which is undeserved to a certain degree. While short-haul deliveries are perfect for utilizing electric freight carriers, a long-haul electric truck would need a battery weighing 23 tons to be able to make a 500-mile journey in one go. That’s a lot of battery – basically half of the truck’s own weight.

Yet Siemens and Scania have recently unveiled an alternative to these monstrous hypothetical batteries: a truck that uses a pantograph feeding it power from wires running above it. Just like a trolley or an electric train. Unlike trolleys and electric trains, however, these Scania trucks (two test ones for now) can detach from the wires to overtake another vehicle or switch lanes for any other reason, and then smoothly return to the electrified lane because they also have internal combustion engines (that run on biodiesel), as well as battery-powered electric motors. These two motors allow the truck to “hop” from one electrified portion of a highway to another.

(Excerpt) Read more at oilprice.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science
KEYWORDS: automotive; diesel; electriccars; electrichighway; transportation; trucks
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-35 next last

1 posted on 07/14/2016 3:03:07 PM PDT by bananaman22
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: bananaman22

The Milwaukee Road had a long electrified run through W. Montana and Ideeho. Even used regenerative braking. 3000V DC.


2 posted on 07/14/2016 3:06:38 PM PDT by Paladin2 (auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bananaman22

Why go through all that trouble? Why not create a hybrid-like setup like diesel-electric locomotives? That’d be much more realistic than stringing live, high-power lines directly above traffic. Lines that could be cut easily, or taken out by a wreck.


3 posted on 07/14/2016 3:08:00 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Warning: This post has little to do with reality, and nothing to do with polite society.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bananaman22

Any time you have to build brand new infrastructure to supply power to an industry that’s been doing fine without it, you have to wonder. Like self driving cars, there’s a place for technology and places it’s not going to work. Lots of places.


4 posted on 07/14/2016 3:13:35 PM PDT by meatloaf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paladin2
The Milwaukee Road had a long electrified run through W. Montana and Ideeho. Even used regenerative braking. 3000V DC.

That's my old employer - the locomotives were referred to as 'Little Joes', and they would schedule their trains so that one would be going downhill whenever one was coming up the incline to regenerate electricity back up into the overhead wire to help power the uphill one.

5 posted on 07/14/2016 3:14:04 PM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (Democrat Drinking Game - Every time they mention a new social program, chug someone else's beer.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Quality_Not_Quantity

The locos were wpparentoy originally built for Stalin. Nice tip as to scheduling. Batteries still suck.


6 posted on 07/14/2016 3:18:00 PM PDT by Paladin2 (auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: bananaman22

Where are they going to get the electricity to poser those trucks? Certainly not solar or wind, and the envirowhackos have made building new nuclear power plants practically impossible. That leaves coal, gas, and hydroelectric and there are only so many places to build dams.


7 posted on 07/14/2016 3:20:21 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is always just one or a thousand or a million more murders away from utopia.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bananaman22

The Stars Trek acme teleporter will...


8 posted on 07/14/2016 3:20:48 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: meatloaf

But electric trucks would be so much better for the environment. They are powered by rainbows and unicorn farts.


9 posted on 07/14/2016 3:22:36 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (NEVER HILLARY)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: meatloaf

But electric trucks would be so much better for the environment. They are powered by rainbows and unicorn farts.


10 posted on 07/14/2016 3:22:36 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (NEVER HILLARY)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: bananaman22

I could see that in limited applications, but to build that much infrastructure across all of the US (~5 million miles of Road, ~50,000 miles of Interstate Highway), would require a long payoff period to recoup the investment.

Technology would probably overtake this solution before you could even get it built.


11 posted on 07/14/2016 3:23:54 PM PDT by BeauBo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bananaman22

I remember the trolley buses in Atlanta when I was a child. We liked to watch the sparks fly when they went through an intersection. The poles were long enough that the buses could change lanes to get around traffic, and they had switches so one bus could pass another. Sounds like they are trying to make the new equipment more complex and expensive.

But here’s a better solution - make all long haul use railroad tracks, and take the traffic off the highways.


12 posted on 07/14/2016 3:31:37 PM PDT by PAR35
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bananaman22
Something like 40% of our power is generated by coal.The Rat Party and the Marxist plants they've embedded at EPA are determined to bankrupt coal and are succeeding.So where will the power to drive these trucks come from?
13 posted on 07/14/2016 3:35:35 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (What Did Loretta and BillyBob Discuss For 30 Minutes In Phoenix? Grandchildren?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: IYAS9YAS
Why not create a hybrid-like setup like diesel-electric locomotives?

FedEx is playing with them, as is Coca-Cola, and I think Walmart is (or did), as well. Manufacturers looking at the technology include GM (pre-bankruptcy, at least), Daimler-Benz, and BAE.

14 posted on 07/14/2016 3:38:56 PM PDT by PAR35
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Nailbiter

ping


15 posted on 07/14/2016 3:52:43 PM PDT by IncPen (Hey Media: Bias = Layoffs)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Blood of Tyrants
Where are they going to get the electricity to poser those trucks? Certainly not solar or wind, and the envirowhackos have made building new nuclear power plants practically impossible. That leaves coal, gas, and hydroelectric and there are only so many places to build dams.

Coal, Gas, and Oil power plants are more efficient than a car/truck engine. In addition, as new efficiency tech comes online, that can be included in an existing power plant whereas it cannot be included in an existing car. This avoids the question of the massive costs of setting up infrastructure to supply all of these trucks with power and what to do with that infrastructure when the next cool idea comes along.
16 posted on 07/14/2016 3:54:19 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: IYAS9YAS

Think like a well-connected crony who wants his company to get in on the contract. Then it makes perfect sense.


17 posted on 07/14/2016 4:07:14 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Government employees and welfare recipients are both net tax consumers. Often for life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: ronnietherocket3

“as new efficiency tech comes online”

Like what? My thought is that power plant efficiency will be reduced to meet tougher emission standards.

But disregarding that, give an efficiency booster that’s good for more than a percent or two.

I’m a nuke guy.


18 posted on 07/14/2016 4:07:25 PM PDT by cymbeline
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: cymbeline
Like what? My thought is that power plant efficiency will be reduced to meet tougher emission standards. But disregarding that, give an efficiency booster that’s good for more than a percent or two. I’m a nuke guy.

Here is a google search. Here is the start of a project at MIT with a claimed efficiency boost of 100% (i.e. get 2x as much electricity per pound of coal). Here is an organization that thinks they can get a ~20% boost in coal efficiency.

I am not in the field, but there does appear to be active research in this area with efficiency claims of >5%.

As for the claim that efficiency will be reduced to meet tougher emission standards, that makes little sense. But not much that envirowhackos get up to does.
19 posted on 07/14/2016 4:32:52 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: bananaman22

Yeah, and when the power goes out, traffic comes to a standstill.


20 posted on 07/14/2016 5:37:29 PM PDT by fruser1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-35 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson