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Why Britain’s New Prime Minister Wasn’t Elected
smithsonianmag.com ^ | July 12, 2016 | Erin Blakemore

Posted on 07/12/2016 12:31:25 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

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To: Berlin_Freeper

No I’m not. I’m for parliamentary democracy and against your style of republican democracy.


61 posted on 07/15/2016 12:41:31 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Berlin_Freeper

You’re trying to make something out of nothing. Under a parliamentary system ministers are not elected directly and they never have been. That is the system we have. Damn right I’m going to take it as long as it suits me. Why would I not want to do that?


62 posted on 07/15/2016 12:46:30 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Berlin_Freeper; flaglady47; seekthetruth; ExTexasRedhead; Maine Mariner; pax_et_bonum
# 6......the Lady's got a Trump-looking mouth, lol.

Leni

63 posted on 07/15/2016 1:31:58 PM PDT by MinuteGal ( GO, TRUMP, GO !!!....)
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To: Vanders9
Actually I did a fine job of pointing to the absurdity of Brexit "because of laws passed by unelected bureaucrats" (which is a lie) while the Elitists select the new prime minister. Whom btw was for remaining in the UK like the prime minister who resigned (just to make it more absurd).

And if all that doesn't entertain you then surely this circus should:
Britain's May says won't trigger Article 50 until have UK-wide approach

Oh yes yes, you people have governance all figured out - Lmao!

64 posted on 07/15/2016 2:12:53 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Vanders9

Btw you helped a great deal. Thanks for adding.


65 posted on 07/15/2016 2:16:31 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Vanders9

Ignore the dummkopf...the U.K. just gave the rest of Europe a valuable lesson in democracy.

I remain impressed at how quickly and seamlessly your government changed hands, kudos!


66 posted on 07/15/2016 2:36:18 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
No ones suggesting the system is perfect. Like all systems of government it has advantages and disadvantages. It is however, our system. It is not a system foisted on us by a group of ex-commies eager to create a European superstate that they can lord over without any checks or controls on it at all. And that is ultimately what the EU aspires to be.

Just to be clear, there is a theory and a practice of democracy. Theoretically electing every politician and judge and local official is more "democratic", but in practice, as most people aren't really bothered about the minor positions, what you end up with is a dictatorship of the concerned, of those who can be bothered. Similarly, theoretically the parliament can discuss or block EU legislation, but effectively the unelected commissioners are the ones who are calling the shots. They are the ones introducing legislation. They are the ones who set the agenda. They have WAY too much power.

The so-called elitists are members of parliament. They are all elected. All they are doing is selecting a leader, who obviously has to be PM because by definition they are the ones with the support of the House. Cameron did not have to resign. There's no law saying he had to. He just recognised that having put so much of his political capital into the remain campaign it would be impossible for him to continue as PM. You sneer at the new PM being a remainer too. What you forget is that the majority of the Conservative party were for remain, so she is merely a reflection of their stance, which is only democratic. If the majority of the party is pro-remain it stands to reason their leader would be too, not so? So what are you complaining about?

67 posted on 07/15/2016 5:57:08 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: mac_truck

That is one of the advantages of a parliamentary democracy. Not to say there aren’t disadvantages too.


68 posted on 07/15/2016 5:58:20 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Well, she was a member of the ruling party. She was elected by her party.

Just like the Republicans can elect anyone they want as Speaker.

If people do not realize what a parliamentary form of government is, they should be ashamed of themselves.


69 posted on 07/15/2016 6:00:14 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ask Bernie supporters two questions: Who is rich. Who decides. In the past, that meant who died.)
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To: Vanders9

So Theresa May gets to serve the remainder of Cameron’s term as Prime Minister unless there’s a vote of no confidence in Parliament which triggers a snap election... is that correct?


70 posted on 07/15/2016 6:33:20 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Vanders9
I am not sneering nor complaining. Take a look back, I am lmao. You have to twist logic to excuse May because of the party when the majority of the people voted Brexit. You seem to think I am upset about it. You are welcome to your Elitist system of governance. Looking forward to King Charles.
71 posted on 07/15/2016 7:59:21 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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What do you think about May's new position on Article 50 I gave you?

She went from “Brexit is Brexit” to Brexit is something or other.

If anyone should be sneering and complaining about May it is you. Instead of twisting logic to empower her.

That's funny too. I assure you.

72 posted on 07/15/2016 8:07:27 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: mac_truck
Specifically, the Conservatives (who won the last election) get to spend the remainder of the five year term unless there is a no confidence motion, which would cause an immediate election. Because the Prime Minister was not directly elected, its immaterial that the conservatives have selected someone else as their leader. The only requirement that the PM has is the support of Parliament.

It used to be the Government could call elections anytime they liked (with, I think, three months notice) but as of 3-4 years ago there is now a five year term.

73 posted on 07/17/2016 8:02:21 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Berlin_Freeper
That's a ludicrous argument. You might as well say that we should have a change of government every time the government loses any vote for anything. The people might have voted for Brexit, but Members of Parliament can campaign for anything they like and vote in any way they like, just like anyone else. Would you deny them their opinions? If they continue to defy the opinions of the people, then there will be a reckoning. In what way is that different from any other democratic system?

If you think that the antics of MP's constitute the sum total of elitism in Britain, then you're wrong.

74 posted on 07/17/2016 8:07:56 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I hope its a gambit to assist negotiations. If it's not, I'm going to be very angry. Rest assured a lot of people will be examining minutely what she does re the EU.

More sneering. I don't think the future of my country is a laughing matter, I can assure you of THAT! I'm not empowering May at all. Who do you think I am? God? She doesn't need empowering from me. She is the Prime Minister. How she undertakes that responsibility is her business, always remembering that if she botches it she'll be out on her ear in double quick time. Exhibit A - one David Cameron. Thought we should remain, campaigned (on a non-binding referendum I might add) to remain, lost and less than three weeks later the removals vans are packing his chattel goods out of Downing Street. How does that compare with everyone else? The only way you'd get a US president out of office faster than that was if you shot him.

75 posted on 07/17/2016 8:17:36 AM PDT by Vanders9
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What is ludicrous is you constantly wanting it both ways for yourself.
If they continue to defy the opinions of the people, then there will be a reckoning.
You claim so much is wrong with the EU, which you admitted that don't understand, but the real Elitist system in the UK has all the wonderful little quirks. LoL! Thanks for keep on adding.
76 posted on 07/17/2016 10:06:39 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Vanders9
More sneering.
In your mind. I told you it is funny. You are welcome to get bent about it though.

A true test, of a true stable people, is a stable system of governance.

Your insistence on having both ways for yourself makes it a waste of my time to have a discussion with you. Good luck with all of that.

77 posted on 07/17/2016 10:13:36 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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