Posted on 07/07/2016 7:32:13 AM PDT by WayneDupreeShow
This is not good, this is not good at all. I really don't want to engage this except to make a few points.
I am sure the cops are going to say he was reaching for his gun. And it is hard to tell whether he was, or not, by the videos I have seen. But what I don't understand is why did it get to the point that he was being combative with the cops? You NEVER escalate any situation with the cops or you may end up a dead man. And what does it matter at this point if he was right or not? He's dead. Did he save his honor by resisting what he believed to be a false arrest? Was he a real man to stand up for his rights? That is why we have courts.
I am very sympathetic to the situation and to him. I hate abuse of power and I post stuff about it all the time on my Facebook. But there is a huge difference between what is right and wrong, vs acting in wisdom or foolishness. He may be 100 percent right, but acted as a fool. The cops can be guilty as sin--and from the looks of things, they probably are--but the man is still dead. That isn't going to get his life back.
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I can't see how he can be considered a threat when one officer has him "pinned" by his ankles, while the other officer is pinning his upper torso pinned down. That's where I break with everyone blaming that he owed child support as a reason to shoot him. That's ridiculous!
From CBS News:
Disturbing new video has surfaced in the police killing of a black man who authorities say had a gun when he was shot on the pavement outside a convenience store.Here is the news report:The shooting death of Alton Sterling is being investigated by federal authorities.
Sterling, 37, was confronted by police and shot on Tuesday after an anonymous caller said he had threatened someone with a gun outside the store, where he was selling homemade CDs, authorities said.
In the video, filmed by store owner Abdullah Muflahi, officers are seen pinning Sterling to the ground. Officers can be heard saying “You [expletive] move, I swear to God,” and shouting, “Gun!” before shots ring out.
Sterling can be seen bleeding from the chest on the ground.
Muflahi told CBS Baton Rouge affiliate WAFB-TV the first officer used a Taser on Sterling and the second officer tackled him. Muflahi said that, as Sterling fought to get the officer off him, the first officer shot him “four to six times.”
The owner said Sterling didn’t have a gun in his hand at the time but he saw officers remove a gun from Sterling’s pocket after the shooting.
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That is my 2¢ and I don't want any of my cop friends telling me the cops were right here. I blame their training which makes them see too many situations are potential lethal threats and justifiable shooting in too many instances.
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These cops will probably be found justified and THAT is why the system is wrong. The "rules of engagement" need to CHANGE. It's not really a racial thing (generally). It's police training seeing people as enemies rather than police seeing themselves as public servants protecting people's civil rights. They have it backwards.
I might get roasted for saying this: But I sometimes wonder why people can't cooperate with the police officers. These things don't need to happen like this. I feel so bad watching what happened to Alton in that video and if I was there I would have told him to "please dude stop and fight it out in the court system."
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One of the first things they teach you in a concealed carry class is to keep your hands visible, inform the officer you have a gun and obey their commands. If you do that, you will never have this happen.
It could be said that "Sanborn" and his men handled the situation well under the circumstances.It could also be said that Ralph Finnes and *his* men did the same.
Just sayin'...
“The owner said Sterling didn’t have a gun in his hand at the time but he saw officers remove a gun from Sterling’s pocket after the shooting.”
What was HE doing with a gun? How many times was he arrested?
He likely BROKE a GUN LAW. He would break a MILLION Gun laws.
WHY DID HE RESIST?
He was going to jail. He didn’t want to go back to jail.
He was RESISTING with a GUN in his pocket. This had no chance of ending well for him.
And lean more to the "Yes Sir" side of things...
I think that TV crime dramas do us a dis-service here. They always show people fighting with the cops, and nothing ever comes of it. The truth is, fighting with the cops is a very, very dangerous thing to do.
“I might get roasted for saying this: But I sometimes wonder why people can’t cooperate with the police officers”
Thinking about this single point;
We know that the number of cop v Black killings is actually very very small compared to the number of Black on Black killings.
How many cop killings of Blacks would not occur if the Black men had only complied? Easily 80%.
What is it about this “instinct” to run from cops?
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“Officers can be heard saying “You [expletive] move, I swear to God,” and shouting, “Gun!” before shots ring out.”
Guy is fighting cops and has a gun. Justified shooting.
(Cops ought not use such language).
Ahhhh...misguided YUTE! Actually, for that part of town he was a lightweight. You have to understand that- much like the thinking of those in the Mafia-he was ‘just doin business’ back then. AT THE MOMENT he wasn’t jacking anyone up or breaking in some place, he was selling ‘music’. Ok- he was a felon carrying a gun, but that is NORMAL in thug society. It’s a whole different definition-taught from birth and reinforced on the streets. That’s why the mamas and babymommas can cry he was a ‘good family man’ hustling to ‘provide’ for his children. Nevermind that the government is their real daddy, he was a ‘businessman’ doing business and his own kind see nothing wrong with any of it.
Change this to a White man dead, and there’s no outrage and no coverage. When there’s equal treatment for Whites, I’ll start to care a bit more.
It was reported that someone called the police on this guy saying he was threatening them with a gun. Does anyone know if this is true or were they just setting the guy up? Cops arriving at the scene of this kind of 911 call would naturally be aggressive.
Inability to assimilate into this society by following simple directions most certainly can be hazardous to your health.
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Definitely not a justifiable shoot.
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>> “He was a felon several times over.” <<
That is not yet a capital crime.
I really don’t care. I’m cold, but...fight with cops, get shot. End of story. Of course the feral population will go absolutely crazy...again...it gets so old. I do feel for the normal people, but what they should do is, pull everything out; police, tv, reporters, and the normal people, and let these animals destroy their own bed.
He had a gun and was fighting and resisting arrest. However, he was unable to kill a policeman, so there are going to be riots.
We don’t have a single society now. Generations of government dependency have created TWO societies. Assimilation is neither wanted nor possible; especially when the lawless ‘society’ is gaining the upper hand by violence, intimidation and demographics. Its one ‘society’ or the other, we see the battle every day in many ways. Co-existence is not possible.
As someone who has been involved in close combat, which is what this was.........it looks justified to me. He had a weapon and was going for it, you don’t wait for him to actually yield the weapon at you. You end the combat as soon as you can.
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
Then they will die because I refuse to.
Sucks to have a sucking chest wound as you bleed out.
The “instinct to not comply” is fully programmed into them via rap music, just the trash he was selling.
If BLM really gave a damn they’d be condemning those who glorify the thug life to impressionable, soft heads.
I saw a professor on public access one night years ago, and he had uncovered extensive ties between the big rap production cos and the for profit prison industry. Makes sense to me.
Yes, and your explanation for the murder of a CCW citizen in Minnesota? He told the cop he had a gun, the gun was not out, nothing to suggest any resistance whatsoever, yet he was shot 4 times and murdered in front of his wife and child.
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