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I am a Southerner
http://civilwartalk.com/threads/i-am-a-southerner-i-wont-apologize.13443/ ^

Posted on 04/14/2016 9:36:26 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

I am a Southerner...

I won't apologize I won't be reconstructed. I will not surrender My identity, my heritage. I believe in the Constitution, In States' Rights, That the government should be the Servant, not the Master of the people. I believe in the right to bear arms, The right to be left alone. I am a Southerner... The spirit of my Confederate ancestors Boils in my blood. They fought Not for what they thought was right, But for what was right. Not for slavery, But to resist tyranny, Machiavellian laws, Oppressive taxation, invasion of his land, For the right to be left alone. I am a Southerner... A rebel, Seldom politically correct, At times belligerent. I don't like Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, Or modern neocon politicians like them. I like hunting and fishing, The Bonnie Blue and "Dixie" I still believe in chivalry and civility. I am a face in the Southern collage of Gentlemen and scholars, belles and writers, Soldiers and sharecroppers, Cajuns and Creoles, Celts and Germans, freedmen and slaves. We are all the South. The South...My home, my beautiful home. My culture, my destiny, my heart. I am a Southerner...


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To: blam

My daughter’s at Bama!


21 posted on 04/14/2016 11:30:52 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom

Roll Tide


22 posted on 04/14/2016 11:32:56 PM PDT by Pelham (Trump/Tsoukalos 2016 - vote the great hair ticket)
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To: NKP_Vet

Come on they fought to keep slavery going. Among other things they also thought were right. Just be up front about it. They may have fought for states rights but they picked a loser issue to do it over.


23 posted on 04/14/2016 11:36:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

How come George Washington kept slaves?


24 posted on 04/14/2016 11:37:02 PM PDT by Pelham (Trump/Tsoukalos 2016 - vote the great hair ticket)
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To: NKP_Vet

If the folks in the south would have picked their own damn cotton this country would be a lot better off than it is today..


25 posted on 04/14/2016 11:44:15 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: NKP_Vet

In States’ Right>>>>, no such a thing any where in the constitution or natural law. rights are people things. powers are allowed to the states and the feds as the people see fit to allow those powers to help us self govern. and we can change that anytime we want. next time we have to change that will be much more interesting that the last ime.


26 posted on 04/14/2016 11:51:17 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Slavery was what murdered the South.

I’m a Southerner, but I’m glad slavery in the South is over. It was wrong.>>> Slavery or the counting of slaves as three fifths was written into our constitution. that was the mistake and one of the reasons why people trash the document today.


27 posted on 04/14/2016 11:55:23 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: kvanbrunt2

So you’re holding on to the legacy of a culture where the 1% who held slaves told the 99% what to do including die for them by the thousand, lost the war you started by shelling Sumter, spent the better of a century after that running around in bedsheets lynching people, tainted American white nationalism by setting off a bomb in a church and killing children, and are directly responsible for importing the descendants of the most violent and useless class of people in the nation en masse.

“Congratulations” is all I can think to say at the moment.


My fellow Freepers should know something that is left out of most history books: during the negotiations that produced the Constitution, it was a record-hot summer in an age of heavy woolen clothing and no air conditioning. So when the Southern states refused to budge and negotiations dragged on the delegates became exhausted in every sense. Mentally, emotionally and physically. Finally the northern delegates threw in the towel and said “slavery will die out on its own anyway.”

Needless to say, there were some pointed observations that this line went against every scrap of Biblical wisdom available, and the exact opposite proved true right up until the end.


28 posted on 04/15/2016 1:49:27 AM PDT by Laser_Ray (Hmm)
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To: kvanbrunt2

counting of slaves as three fifths was written into our constitution. that was the mistake

Disagree.

The 3/5ths compromise limited the power of the South. If they had counted slaves who could not vote and were not citizens as “full” for representation purposes, the South would have a monopoly representation in the House.

Now maybe they should not have adressed the slaves at all but they did because it was a thorny issue back then. They also inserted language to stop the import of slaves after 1808, iirc.


29 posted on 04/15/2016 3:42:11 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: onedoug

Ping


30 posted on 04/15/2016 4:00:04 AM PDT by stylecouncilor ("The future ain't what it used to be." Yogi Berra)
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To: NKP_Vet

Excellent post!


31 posted on 04/15/2016 4:00:58 AM PDT by MagnoliaB (You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime you might find, you get what you need.)
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To: Adder

3/5ths was a compromise. The Northern states did not want the slaves counted in determining representation. The Southern states did. The compromise was 3/5ths phrase in Article I section 2 of the Constitution. The bigger compromise, if you call it that was the Northern states wanted to add a sentence to the Constitution, that slavery was illegal in the United States. The Southern states, wanted a sentence in the Constitution saying slavery was legal in the United States. To get around this dead locking issue, it was decided not to mention the legality/illegality of slaver in the Constitution at all. Hence the big problem 74 years later.


32 posted on 04/15/2016 4:03:16 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: NKP_Vet

If ya don’t like Lynyrd Skynyrd you can kiss my rebel dog .


33 posted on 04/15/2016 4:06:17 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 ()-: ISIS is Islam without the lipstick :-()
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To: blam

War Eagle!


34 posted on 04/15/2016 4:09:09 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: montanajoe

I can’t disagree with that after everything is said and done but when this country started everyone, black or white, that came here as slaves were indentured that could eventually work off their servitude. It was a black man, Anthony Johnson, that fought, went to court and won the case to make another black man, John Casor, his slave for life. So how often during Black History Month is it told that the father of legalized slavery in America was a black man?


35 posted on 04/15/2016 4:10:08 AM PDT by MagnoliaB (You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime you might find, you get what you need.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Grits!


36 posted on 04/15/2016 4:11:53 AM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: Laser_Ray
Look at the rate of manumission in Maryland as markets changed from tobacco farming to growing produce for the growing cities of Washington DC and Baltimore. The practice of using immigrants to load hogsheads on the ship rather than place slaves in the hold. With increased immigration, the economics of slavery were starting to fall apart. Why risk that investment when an immigrant could do the job, and if they got killed, hire another? (Why do you think the Irish ended up in so many hazardous jobs: Teamster, longshoreman, powder monkey, miner, police, firefighter, to name a few.)

With industrialization, too, the number of slaves needed was dropping, and the South stood on the threshold of those developments when war broke out.

The war was not over slavery, but ultimately economics. Had slavery been the seminal issue, Lincoln would have declared all the slaves free at the onset, not waited until 1863.,p>And yes, with rare exception, I firmly believe the economics of hiring help which could be dismissed on a whim and letting them fend for their provender out of their wages would have been far more attractive than purchasing a slave and being vested in their welfare to the point that nothing short of providing food, clothing, housing, and rudimentary medical care risked the loss of that investment, for the lifetime of the slave.

37 posted on 04/15/2016 4:12:21 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: dp0622

We have some ‘yankee’ transplants that come and LOVE IT here in the South. They assimilate and love the culture. There’s always some that do nothing but criticize and it makes me shake my head and wonder why they came here. I had a girl from NJ complain one time that we ‘have a church on every corner’ like it’s a bad thing.


38 posted on 04/15/2016 4:19:53 AM PDT by MagnoliaB (You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime you might find, you get what you need.)
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To: dp0622

I hope that he takes your advice.Maybe we will see you as well sometime soon.


39 posted on 04/15/2016 4:46:07 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: NKP_Vet

This Yankee applauds you.

I am in southern DE, where the South starts. This was a politically contested area in the Civil War. In Georgetown, we have men buried in the local cemetery that fought for both sides.

DE did not end slavery until December, 1865, the last state to do so. So, it was not just the Southern states that had slaves.

A civil war killing 600,000 men out of a population of 31.4 million (1860) should not have been necessary to settle the slavery question.


40 posted on 04/15/2016 4:55:57 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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