Posted on 02/04/2016 1:49:29 PM PST by amorphous
They do decay, not in the inverse square, but they do decay. They also disperse. And as an electronic wave they get beat up by the ionosphere. The high altitude kill America EMP threat is pure lying fear mongering fantasy fiction BS. Period.
Look up the Starfish Prime testing.
It’s a very good read....
I know all about Starfish, if you get a non-sensationalist factual report on it it actually shows this “threat” is bogus. EMP just is not that strong.
Friend, I’m simply sharing facts where you are in error. I’m not arguing with you. The ionosphere has no impact on an EMP - the EMP is generated well below the ionosphere. A nuclear blast at high-altitude has a profound effect on the ionosphere though - but it has nothing to do with an EMP.
“The high altitude kill America EMP threat is pure lying fear mongering fantasy fiction BS. Period.”
It is not “pure lying fear mongering”. There are a lot of unknowns - and the impact of an EMP on modern infrastructure and electronics is unknown. I do not comment on “casualty” guesses - I’m simply stating facts and highlighting gaps in present understanding.
I’ve been mocking EMP alarmism for 20 years. In that NOBODY who ever actually had the job of planning to kill lots of people has EVER come out and said “yep we planned to use high altitude EMPs to disable large chunks of electronics”, and of course in that time NOBODY has attempted an EMP based attack an ANY altitude.
The facts are in, the “threat” is a lie.
” EMP just is not that strong.”
The evidence is overwhelmingly to the contrary of your belief.
Know all about it. And it clearly shows the “apocalypse” threat is way outside of the actual recorded behavior. The map at the top of the threads shows the whole country taking serious damage to their electronics, the real effect was minor inconveniences for a couple hundred miles. On a much weaker system than we have in place now.
“In that NOBODY who ever actually had the job of planning to kill lots of people has EVER come out and said “yep we planned to use high altitude EMPs to disable large chunks of electronics—
It was in the Soviet War Plan to do exactly that.
No it isn’t. Post 58, when actually read from a NON-alarmist point of view, shows clearly that EMP is not that strong. It had a fraction of the range the alarmist predict, and a fraction of the damage. The evidence overwhelmingly shows the alarmists are liars.
No it wasn’t.
“No it wasn’t.”
It was. It’s open source that it was in ours as well.
Google it.
The effects on communications, banking, bonds, other infrastructure and markets could be interesting.
Which brings up another point. Back in the old days, when your engine coolant gauge, if you had one, broke, you could just ignore it. Today, when my coolant gauge malfunctions, it kills the engine, even if you are on a logging road up in the mountains.
Look at it like Y2K. There was a definite threat with a known unknown.
“No it isn’t. Post 58, when actually read from a NON-alarmist point of view, shows clearly that EMP is not that strong. It had a fraction of the range the alarmist predict, and a fraction of the damage. The evidence overwhelmingly shows the alarmists are liars.”
Friend, if you read the document in Post 58, it actually validates what I’ve been telling you. It adds the dimension of an EMP from a SURFACE blast - something you’ve obviously misunderstood to apply to a high-altitude. The Marines paper validates the threat, if you understand what he wrote. I am not an alarmist.
My position is we need to understand what an EMP will do to infrastructure - it will not be zero, and won’t be total - it will be in between.
The strength of an EMP is known, because it has been measured. It is significant and considered “strong” if we want to use your subjective term.
Read Longmire:
Longmire Theoretical Notes # 353 “EMP on Honolulu from the Starfish Event†(March 1985)
“We see that the amplitude of the EMP incident on Honolulu from the Starfish event was considerably smaller than what could be produced over the northern U.S. by more intense gamma fluxes. Therefore, one cannot conclude from what electrical and electronic damage did NOT occur in Honolulu that high-altitude EMP is not a serious threat.â€
Longmire is “the man” on this effect. He figured it out analytically and then measured it in reality.
“The existence of an EMP is proven physics, the idea that one nuke 300 miles up could wipe out America is fiction.”
Totally agree. This idea that EMP wipes out all thins electronic and electrical is nonsense and internet nerd talk. They all think they’ll survive something no one else can possible understand but them. it’s technical dontcha know. There may be some effects but not the end of civilization as we know it effects.
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