Posted on 11/28/2015 9:39:00 AM PST by Jim W N
Kinda my point. They are prfectly fine with the status quo and have been for decades.
It’s one of my missions in life to make sure they get it, if I have to pound it home a million times.
It’s one of the most important keys to saving the republic.
Well, that’s good if that was your point.
Too many people here (FR should be some kind of freedom vanguard) think we need to depend on politicians to fix things. No, We the People need to fix America. America doesn’t belong to the politicians, it belongs to We the People.
Well then, we’re in this together.
I, too, feel that broadcasting and informing about freedom is somehow going to be a big part of what I do.
Spiritual freedom (the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ), political freedom (the U.S. Constitution), and economic freedom (the free market economy - “freedom in action”).
Remember the Peter, Paul, and Mary song, “If I had a Hammer”? I was thinking about that the other day, the part that says, “It’s the hammer of justice, it’s the bell of freedom, it’s the song about love between my brothers and my sisters, all over this land.”
A free society is a happy and healthy society.
No matter what we do in “recovering the Constitution”, UNESCO, the UN and every State Dept of Education have already accomplished an end run. Even if we get rid of the Federal department, it has all been transmitted to each State, and in turn every school district in America. Game....Set........MATCH. It will take the power of the Almighty to right this “ship of state” without bloodshed. The only way Patriots will be able to do so is with lead and blood. Pray...humble yourself and pray for deliverance from personal sin and National. It is the only sure way for the “bloodless coup” that is needed.
Well, you’re speaking my language: state nullification of unconstitutional federal acts which is federal tyranny. That can be done NOW, not in the sweet, sweet bye-and-bye if and when the jigsaw puzzle of the Article V thing comes together.
Not to hijack the thread, but it's pretty well accepted theory that price deflation is poisonous to an economy. Why would it be desirable in this case?
State nullification of unconstitutional federal acts and omissions is alive and well, the latest being states that refuse to accept the invasion the feds refuse to repel in violation of the feds constitutional obligation to “repel invasions” (Art. I, Sec 8.Cl 15).
The fight for freedom isn’t guaranteed to be an easy or bloodless fight, but it is a battle worth fighting and dying for if necessary. The rag-tag colonists were fighting the most powerful nation in the world. What were their chances? But they had two things going for them that made all the difference:
1) Faith in the God of the Bible
2) Bravery and willingness that “with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence”, they mutually pledged “to each other our lives, our Fortunes and our sacred honor.”
I don't mean to be argumentative, but I don't see where any action is outlined, other than observations.
we need action NOW, beginning with the American People educating themselves on THEIR most precious political document...
Agreed. Hopefully this also speeds up acceptance of an Article V proposing convention.
and states saying "NO!!" to unconstitutional federal acts.
The problem here is that the federal government simply declares the acts to be constitutional and proceeds as such with a compliant Congress standing idly by. Witness the recent pushback by states over Syrian "refugees," and Obama's response. Look at how Obama continued to issue green cards to illegally "Executive ordered " illegal aliens. Look at the Iran non-treaty treaty. Look at Arizona's own overturned immigration enforcement law.
Obama is declaring whatever he wants to do to be constitutional and daring everyone else to stop him. The states are already saying "no," and Obama is responding with "yeah, whatever."
-PJ
The main point of my two prior posts was to dispel the notion that the growth of the federal government is some sort of recent development. The theories which support that growth date to the very beginning of our Republic. And, so people should not underestimate the difficulty in reversing a major historical trend. We need public support.
THE CONSTITUTION
And when patriots cannot find a clause to justify an action of the federal government then the feds have probably overreached their constitutionally limited powers with the action.
In fact, to save yourselves some work, note that one of the only powers that the states have delegated to the feds to regulate something inside a state is the US Mail Service (1.8.7). In other words, nearly all other federal governnment services that many citizens are now so dependent on are unconstitutional imo.
Note that not only is everything that the EPA does, for example, unconstitutional imo, but the EPAs very existance is unconstitutional.
Also note that unconstitutional federal government social spending programs are based on 10th Amendment-protected state powers and associated state revenues which the corrupt feds have stolen from the states. Congress wrongly steals state revenues by means of unconstitutional federal taxes, taxes which Congress cannot justify under its Section 8-limited powers.
Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States. - Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
The action outlined is:
1) The American People arm themselves with knowledge and understanding of the Constitution and written and originally understood and intended.
2) The American People through their representatives in their individual states and in the federal government nullify, reject, and/or repeal unconstitutional federal acts and omissions.
But there must be teeth in that nullification. The states must a) follow up and actually prevent implementation of such acts b) must be prepared to go without federal financial “aid” ie. become financially INDEPENDENT from the feds - that would be a good thing and 3) be ready and armed including civilian militia to fight the feds if it comes to blows.
You as many might say “rots a ruck” for a state in an armed fight against the feds. Well, about 250 years ago, they said the same thing about a rag-tag bunch of colonists against the most powerful nation in the world.
As I said, the fight for freedom holds no guarantees, but is a battle worth fighting. A life lived and died for freedom is better than a life in slavery and surrender to tyranny. Obama has quickly brought these issues into high definition and clear resolution.
Article V is precisely the means to take ownership of lives, liberties, and happiness. There is no higher earthly power than decisions made by the people in their sovereign capacity.
Regarding judicial opinions that supplant Article I, the answer is in Article III or a convention of the states. When a statute is found to be “unconstitutional,” the statute or amendment is sent back to the legislature that created it. It is up to the legislature to either correct the law, or do nothing. In any event, no court opinion can have the force of nationwide law.
State by state or municipal nullification is a dead end. It is what sanctuary cities do.
“Public support” is what this is all about, beginning with educating the populace about THEIR Constitution and starting, not only at the macro/national level but the micro/state and local level - individuals through their individual states, nullifying unconstitutional federal acts. A TRUE grass roots “revolution” against an illegal an unconstitutional federal government at the individual state level as well as the federal level.
Exactly right. Removal of the 17th is simple, efffective and cannot be cheated.
You’ve got it. Too many do not.
I estimate at least 80% of the $4 trillion federal government is unconstitutional: most cabinet positions, ALL of the “Administrative State” from whence come these unconstitutional and obnoxious executive-generated regulations - laws not made through Congress, our legislative branch.
The role of SCOTUS must be absolutely brought back to its constitutional roots - solving individual cases and controversies which precedent is confined to cases with similar facts and questions of law, not national law made by a court.
The goal is to dismantle the unconstitutional portion of the feds, put them back in their constitutional cage, and with a faithful, knowledgeable, and ardent populace, keep them there.
It's time for AMERICANS to take back AMERICA.
I just find this thread confusing. On one hand you have folks shouting "Screw the politicians, take back America" while on the other hand you have others declaring that the 17th Amendment has to be repealed, that U.S. Senators should be elected by state legislatures (i.e., other politicians) rather than directly by citizens.
Why on earth would any citizen give up the right to directly vote for their own U.S. Senator? Folks advocating that are living in a dream world. Ain't gonna happen.
No, state nullification of unconstitutional federal acts is not a “sanctuary city.”
It is what many states have just done to reject unconstitutional refusal to repel invasion (Art I, Sec 15, Cl 15) and is supported by the presumptions of the Constitution, the Supremacy Clause, and the Ninth and the Tenth Amendments.
I have no problem with an Article V convention as long as it’s done right. But I do have a problem with those that insist that constitutional state sovereignty cannot be exercised in the meantime. That is denying the very constitution you purport to uphold.
Saying state nullification is a “dead end” is like saying the fight for freedom is a dead end. Tell that to the rag-tag colonists against the most powerful nation in the world. The fight for freedom has no guarantees but is worth the battle. Get on board.
Good luck! A journey of 1,000 miles begins . . . ;-)
The way to assert state sovereignty is to return the states to the senate. There is no alternative.
Don't presume to lecture me on my devotion to the constitution and its basis.
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