Posted on 11/19/2015 9:14:35 AM PST by w1n1
When 30 carbine was introduced during WW2, many called it inadequate. It became massively popular, and not just with the rear echelon troops. Far from the sheer power of the 30-06, it was more useful to a radio operator, a cook, or a typist. Likewise, 22WMR is nowhere near the power of 223Rem (already deemed inadequate by many), yet its ballistic cousins 5.7x28 and 4.6x30 are well regarded for certain niche uses. Until recently, 22WMR was mostly used in hunting guns, the occasional exception like Grendel carbine aside. But consider it in the Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) format: lightweight, accurate, nearly recoilless, and effective.
For the test, I used two CMR30's updated to the production configuration. Both were reliable and well received by the numerous shooters who tried them. While slow fire provides about 1.5MOA dispersion, we did rapid fire standing at 18-20 yards. The target was a 1/4" hardened aluminum, diamond plate backed, with 2x4s. 9mm +P and .357Mag defensive ammunition shot through 4" barrels left minimal impression on the plate. 22LR let just a tiny splatter. From the carbine barrel, 22WMR ball blew through the metal and the wood behind it. We tried CCI hollow point load with the same result.
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Since the 1984 Miami FBI Firefight, which ushered in the 40S&W, I've been routinely test-firing all calibers of bullets through 7-feet of water. The only caliber round (of many thousands) to hit the end of the tank was 40S&W--and it did so reliably.
The FBI didn't ask me.
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Anything with an intertwined “S” and “W”.
The M1 Rifle is known as the Garand. Uses the high-powered bottle-necked .30-06 cartridge.
M1 Carbine and M2 Carbine use the .30 Carbine tapered cartridge, with about 1/3 the energy of the .30-06.
I’m not sure what you mean by “straight up .30 cal”. They are both .30 cal, nominally .30 inches in diameter (actually .308). But use different bullet weights, and very different cases.
They are two of a plethora of .30 caliber rifle rounds, including the .30-30 and .308, that are not interchangeable.
I hear it wasn't too much fun with the close-enough .308 in a full-size M14 either.
Your uncle had bonafide balls of steel. I’ve talked to many Korean War vets, and what they went through would wilt most of the current generation, me included.
Doesn't that mean the .45 would expand to .675"?
I don't mean to pick a fight with 9mm guys. I like Georg Luger's venerable cartridge too. It's just that modern ballistics have improved all cartridges, not just the 9mm.
I’ve never understood the value of ‘stopping power’
Its another way of saying how fast will the suspect ‘bleed out’ and die. A .45 makes a larger wound channel than a .22 does.
If you own a .22 or a 9mm that you are an expert shooter with, carry it instead of the .45. Go for head shots, forget the chest. It take more concentration but the results are quicker too.
I’ve never shot it, but Ruger makes the LCR in .327 Federal Magnum. That would be a small, lightweight, very capable revolver. Ruger also makes the SP101 in that caliber, still pretty small but heavier. I think you get one extra round over the same sized revolver in 38 Special. Don’t know about the availability of 327 ammo.
I have them both. 9mm or 45ACP suits me just fine. I don’t have a .40 but that’d be fine with me, too. High performance hollowpoints have made arguing over caliber seem pretty silly to me.
You're on.
Just wear gloves if that's an issue for you. I'd rather have something that can be reloaded quickly. And unless you practice every day, speed loaders will not get you back in the fight before it's over.
Huh. No SP101 from Ruger in 327 with a a barrel shorter than 4”. That seems a bit odd to me.
Always wanted a Walther.
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Very interesting. I’ll look into it.
People say that type of nonsense, but why would anyone miss any more with a 44 mag than with a 22LR? Assuming the more powerful round results in a miss is ignorance of firearms.
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Some people who will remain unnamed, have lousy hands or are old, and need less recoil. A 22 with a long magazine works well for them.
The CZ82 is superior: better trigger and mags hold 12. The pistol had a hammer safety system where to decock you pull the trigger holding the hammer then let the trigger out and the hammer will not hit the firing pin. Had ambidextrous features which were ahead of their time. I’ve bought several and distributed them to family members for home defense/personal protection. The 9 x 18 round is not to be sneezed at, especially the Silver Bear hollow points.
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