It is also a fact, and a very prevalent one, that most eggs are not fertilized during normal sexual intercourse and the egg is lost in the woman’s period. By the logic of the premise you promote, God is a murderer because of this. Ridiculous. One must be careful not to confuse the human life embodied in the fertilized egg with the egg or the sperm which by themselves are only germ cells.
An unfertilized egg which is menstruated is expelled because God, Himself, in His Wisdom has designed human beings this way.
God gives life and life is God's to take at His will. A person lives only so long as God Himself has ordained - whether it is 5 minutes as a proto-blastocyst, or 105 years as fully formed human being.
Man is in no place to accuse God of murder. Any man who does so misplaces himself above God. God is incapable of being accused by any man of murder. Man chose death over life when he chose sin over obedience to God.
The lives of aborted babies existed as long as God granted them life. The abortionist, however, who aborts absent the medical need to do so to save the mother's life is no less a murderer and guilty of such crime, even as anyone who for instance shoots and kills a fully formed adult absent the need for mortal self-defense.
For the one who slays that human being, they are responsible for taking that life, and it is held to their account.
For the one who dies, it was their appointed time to do so.
Scripture says so:
"A person’s days are determined; you have decreed the number of his months and have set limits he cannot exceed." Job 14:5
"Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." Psalm 139:16
Those who perform IVF may only legitimately do so fertilizing and implanting one egg at a time. If the implanted fertilized egg implants successfully, life may be sustained to birth. If it does not, implantation was not meant to be. This is God's will, even as a spontaneous abortion occurs "naturally."
Creating and destroying "expendable" fertilized eggs, however, is murder, no different than non-maternal life-saving abortion.
FReegards!
Your annoying sermon is riddled with falsities. First, I was attacking the person’s ludicrous logic that IVF was equivalent to Abortion.
Second, the egg and sperm are not germ cells. They are not capable of germinating by themselves. They are carriers of genetic code, God’s written code of life. When they are merged in fertilization the result is a human life written in advance.
Third, I was being sarcastic in suggesting God was engaging in murder because the anatomy of a woman and man does not result 100% in conception even when both are fertile, even when the woman’s cycle has produced an egg ready for fertilization and the two have normal intercourse. The result is often that there is no conception and hence the couple must keep trying; and each ‘failed’ egg is lost in the woman’s period. This is similar to an IVF procedure where multiple eggs are taken because the fertilization procedures are not 100% reliable. Reliability in both IVF and natural intercourse is not 100%.
To think that discarding eggs during IVF that did not fertilize per a sub-optimal procedure is equivalent to murderous abortion is similar to bizarrely suggesting that God’s less that 100% reliable anatomical design and procedure for conception is equivalent to murder when a cell fails to fertilize and is ‘discarded’ during a woman’s period.
God performs miracles of conception where no conception is possible. But in the normal frequency of events a man and woman who try to conceive naturally and are unable, they must try several times before success is attained. The eggs that are lost or ‘discarded’ in the woman’s period because of failed conception are NOT an act of murder as abortion on demand is. The eggs discarded in an IVF procedure are also not murder as the person posting this garbage thread suggests. Abortion on demand is willful murder made possible by the woman in her fearful state of mind, by the system that avails itself to her, by the doctors and staff that perform it and by the business interests that promote it.
And now we know (actually I knew 20 years ago) that the abortion industry creates false memes of “Women’s Choice”, “Reproductive Rights” and so on, as cover, as a smoke screen to get at the organs and tissues of the aborted baby. This is not far from the evil child sacrifice rituals that are written in history and scripture. The purpose is to extend life in humans who are aging or dying, humans that are afraid of death and refuse to believe in the Savior. There are waiting lists for organs. Growing new ones for extending lifetimes of those on the waiting lists is one area of what they are after. But it does not prevent death.
The abortion industry is therefore a factory process kept hush hush to serve those who try to defy death. What many don’t understand is that the availability of an organ does not always result in life extension. What some don’t further understand is that beating one disease merely sets oneself up for the next disease. If for example, liver disease is overcome by treatment or replacement, there are myriad other diseases that will take the person down.
Life carries a death process with it. A death sentence is put on every head. Still there are billionaires in Silicon Valley that think they can defy death by drinking some exotic telemere potion or growing parts in labs. They will die surely but they will die worse than people of faith. Because to engage in the killing of the innocent so that one has a thought to live a little longer is to pronounce death on one’s soul and conscious. That is far worse than the death of the flesh. Steve Jobs died. And the homosexual fellow that took his place will die too. The founders of Google are also trying to defy death because they have fallen into the trap of thinking their fantasy immortality is a reality that they need only explore.
There is nothing wrong with trying to extend a lifetime and more importantly is the extension of the quality of life not just the quantity as measured in years and months. But murder is still murder. The allowance and toleration of this murder leads to the toleration of human prisoners for organ delivery purposes or organ harvesting for profit. It leads to offers of lots of money for child sacrifice, a living breathing child. It leads to Hell.
I don’t wish to engage in this subject any longer so don’t bother me with it. I hope that’s clear.
