Your annoying sermon is riddled with falsities. First, I was attacking the person’s ludicrous logic that IVF was equivalent to Abortion.
Second, the egg and sperm are not germ cells. They are not capable of germinating by themselves. They are carriers of genetic code, God’s written code of life. When they are merged in fertilization the result is a human life written in advance.
Third, I was being sarcastic in suggesting God was engaging in murder because the anatomy of a woman and man does not result 100% in conception even when both are fertile, even when the woman’s cycle has produced an egg ready for fertilization and the two have normal intercourse. The result is often that there is no conception and hence the couple must keep trying; and each ‘failed’ egg is lost in the woman’s period. This is similar to an IVF procedure where multiple eggs are taken because the fertilization procedures are not 100% reliable. Reliability in both IVF and natural intercourse is not 100%.
To think that discarding eggs during IVF that did not fertilize per a sub-optimal procedure is equivalent to murderous abortion is similar to bizarrely suggesting that God’s less that 100% reliable anatomical design and procedure for conception is equivalent to murder when a cell fails to fertilize and is ‘discarded’ during a woman’s period.
God performs miracles of conception where no conception is possible. But in the normal frequency of events a man and woman who try to conceive naturally and are unable, they must try several times before success is attained. The eggs that are lost or ‘discarded’ in the woman’s period because of failed conception are NOT an act of murder as abortion on demand is. The eggs discarded in an IVF procedure are also not murder as the person posting this garbage thread suggests. Abortion on demand is willful murder made possible by the woman in her fearful state of mind, by the system that avails itself to her, by the doctors and staff that perform it and by the business interests that promote it.
And now we know (actually I knew 20 years ago) that the abortion industry creates false memes of “Women’s Choice”, “Reproductive Rights” and so on, as cover, as a smoke screen to get at the organs and tissues of the aborted baby. This is not far from the evil child sacrifice rituals that are written in history and scripture. The purpose is to extend life in humans who are aging or dying, humans that are afraid of death and refuse to believe in the Savior. There are waiting lists for organs. Growing new ones for extending lifetimes of those on the waiting lists is one area of what they are after. But it does not prevent death.
The abortion industry is therefore a factory process kept hush hush to serve those who try to defy death. What many don’t understand is that the availability of an organ does not always result in life extension. What some don’t further understand is that beating one disease merely sets oneself up for the next disease. If for example, liver disease is overcome by treatment or replacement, there are myriad other diseases that will take the person down.
Life carries a death process with it. A death sentence is put on every head. Still there are billionaires in Silicon Valley that think they can defy death by drinking some exotic telemere potion or growing parts in labs. They will die surely but they will die worse than people of faith. Because to engage in the killing of the innocent so that one has a thought to live a little longer is to pronounce death on one’s soul and conscious. That is far worse than the death of the flesh. Steve Jobs died. And the homosexual fellow that took his place will die too. The founders of Google are also trying to defy death because they have fallen into the trap of thinking their fantasy immortality is a reality that they need only explore.
There is nothing wrong with trying to extend a lifetime and more importantly is the extension of the quality of life not just the quantity as measured in years and months. But murder is still murder. The allowance and toleration of this murder leads to the toleration of human prisoners for organ delivery purposes or organ harvesting for profit. It leads to offers of lots of money for child sacrifice, a living breathing child. It leads to Hell.
I don’t wish to engage in this subject any longer so don’t bother me with it. I hope that’s clear.
I don’t wish to engage in this subject any longer so don’t bother me with it. I hope that’s clear. So you think your "sermon" is supposedly the last word? You are clearly a "Hostage" to your own ignorance.
My 34-year profession is concentrated in the life sciences and I hold individual undergraduate and graduate degrees in Biology, Chemistry, and Biochemistry. Let's start talking about what you obviously don't know, shall we?
First, I was attacking the person’s ludicrous logic that IVF was equivalent to Abortion
And my point is that in most cases, because life begins at conception, IVF results in multiple abortions. To fertilize a mass of eggs and then to dispose of a mass of fertilized eggs without implanting them is abortion. You may not like that, but that is a fact.
If IVF fertilizes one egg and facilitates implantation to the point of success that is fine. If the implantation of that fertilized egg fails, that is unfortunate, but morally that is also fine. To discard a mass of fertilized eggs which are never administered to the patient for implantation as is done today in IVF, is abortion. Do you get it?
Second, the egg and sperm are not germ cells.
"How germ cells become sperm or egg" Science,17, July 2015: Vol. 349 no. 6245 pp. 279-280, DOI:10.1126/science.349.6245.279-f
You need a refresher course in Biology.
Third, I was being sarcastic in suggesting God was engaging in murder....
Sadly, you are apparently too stupid to see that I was agreeing with you.
... each ‘failed’ egg is lost in the woman’s period. This is similar to an IVF procedure where multiple eggs are taken because the fertilization procedures are not 100% reliable. Reliability in both IVF and natural intercourse is not 100%.
It is obvious that you don't understand Biology at all. Eggs discharged through menstruation are not "failed." They are merely unfertilized, and discharged as designed to do.
This is in no way similar to IVF. IVF joins sperm and egg outside the body creating a fertilized zygote in a petri dish. One or some of these fertilized zygotes are destined for patient administration.
The others are discarded or sent for research. And that is the crime.
To think that discarding eggs during IVF that did not fertilize....
Read again what I wrote. That is not at all what I said.
"Creating and destroying "expendable" fertilized eggs, however, is murder...."
Bolded for you this time as I wrote it before, since you are such a careless reader.
...‘discarded’ during a woman’s period.
Read again. I said eggs are expelled at menstruation. I did not say they were discarded. One more time again, because your comprehension skills are sorely lacking:
"To discard a mass of fertilized eggs which are never administered to the patient for implantation as is done today in IVF, is abortion."
There is nothing wrong with trying to extend a lifetime and more importantly is the extension of the quality of life not just the quantity as measured in years and months.
Scripture is clear that no man has the power to extend his lifetime. No drug or medical procedure is capable of extending one's life one moment beyond what our Creator God has ordained. One may only improve the quality of life one lives by wise life choices, both medically and morally.
FReegards!
