FL: Be careful what you say to 911

Gun Watch ^ | 27 July, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

What you say on 911 is recorded.  It can and will be used against you in a court of law.  My friend and publisher of numerous books on gun laws, Alan Korwin, says that in the vast majority of cases where people involved in self defense scenarios end up in serious legal difficulties, it is what they said on 911 that got them into trouble.  He expounds on this in his book "After You Shoot".   In a recent case in Florida, both male participants made errors.  One is dead and one has been charged.        

I suspect that Robert Doyle is already regretting saying that he would put his gun to the other driver's head.  If it was not for that statement, I doubt that he would be charged.  The other driver, Candelario Gonzalez, threatened to "whoop his ass" and followed him to his home.   Candelario Gonzalez no longer has regrets in this life.  He is dead.

It appears that if Robert Doyle had not mentioned that he was going to put a gun to the other driver's head if the driver continued to follow him to his home, he would not have been charged.   From myfoxtampabay.com:

"I have a truck, there's some maniac that's been following me, trying to run me off the road an (expletive). My gun is already out. It's cocked and locked," Doyle told the dispatcher.

At almost the exact same time, the wife of 44-year-old Candelario Gonzalez was on the phone with another 911 operator. She indicated her husband was also threatening violence.

"My husband wants to go whoop his (expletive)," he said.

"Well if he does that, he'll, he'll go to jail," the dispatcher responded.

Both callers blame the other driver for acting aggressively.

Doyle's made at least two more references to his gun.

"They are following me to my house. I'll be there in 20 seconds and the guns are already out," he said, later adding, "I'm going home and the gun's coming out. I'm going to put it to his (expletive) head."

In the 911 call, Robert Doyle says the driver that is following him and trying to run him off of the road, is driving a truck.  In the overhead picture of the scene, the vehicle beside the truck in the driveway may well be a Kia Soul.  There appear to be two children at the back of the vehicle.

Once home, Robert got out of his Kia with his gun.  Candelario confronted him.  Robert's wife, on 911 says "Don't Shoot! I have 911 on the phone!" Five gunshots are heard immediately after Robert's wife makes the statement.

When the officers arrive, Robert Doyle's wife says that Candelario Gonzalez would not leave and charged her husband, which is when Robert Doyle shot him.

Fox 13 reports that an unnamed witness claimed to see Candelario Gonzalez walking back toward his car (truck?) when he was shot.  Some reports are saying that Candelario was driving a landscaping truck.  That may be the vehicle in the street with the trailer behind it in the middle lower part of the picture.

The police are saying that Robert Doyle is the aggressor, because he told them that he had a gun and was ready to use it.

According to detectives, Doyle then held Gonzalez's wife, daughter and grandson at gunpoint until deputies arrived. He told them he acted in self-defense.

But detectives don't believe it and said, based on the words Doyle used in his own 911 call, it appears he was the aggressor and that's why he's charged with murder.

"He doesn't come out and say I'm going to shoot this guy. He said 'I've got my gun out. I'm cocked and locked and ready to go,'" said Capt. Dave DeCarlo, with the Citrus County Sheriff's Office.

It is hard to think clearly when one is under stress and potentially under attack.  Something to consider is that it is a bad idea to lead a potential attacker to your home.  I was given this advice about 20 years ago by an officer of the Arizona Department of Public Safety, in a class for CCW instructors.

You do not want a potential perpetrator to know where you live.   Having reinforcements at hand to help would be better.

The AZ DPS officer did not advise people to drive to police offices.  He said that you could not be sure that they were open or available.  He advised people to drive to fire stations.   He said they are open 24 hours a day, and are used to handling emergencies.  He said that the profession with the highest number of concealed carry licenses are firefighters.

Perhaps Robert Doyle wishes that he had driven to a fire station.  I am sure that Candelario  Gonzalez' wife wishes that he had done so.

In both of their cases, they said too much to 911.


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[marktwain]

911 calls are all recorded, baring malfunctioning equipment. Everything you say can and will be used against you in court.

[equaviator]

What a surprise! Who knew? I never would have guessed! Can you believe it? OMG!

[Crazieman]

ITS COMING RIGHT FOR US!

[dfwgator]

“Democrats Piss Me Off!”

[driftdiver]

Wow, that could easily happen. Probably better to hang up after reporting the incident.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Candelario followed him home—and got out of his car to confront....he’s rightfully dead IMO.

WTF is wrong with people these days?

[IYAS9YAS]

So, one aggressive moron leads another aggressive moron to his home and then kills him? If I think anyone is trying to follow me, I don’t go home. Why didn’t the first moron drive to a police station?

[IYAS9YAS]

Okay, and I could have read the whole posting. I’ll change the location to a fire station. Hell, tell the 9-1-1 dispatcher to have an officer meet them at such-and-such place in x-minutes. I don’t want a confrontation, but the other guy won’t leave me alone.

[marktwain]

You have the right idea.

[TaxPayer2000]

Don't Talk To Police

[Georgia Girl 2]

I would say its best to just state your emergency and always remember to say you are afraid for your life. Stick to it like a mantra.

[envisio]

Keep your mouth shut.

Know why mobsters and are so slippery to law? They keep their mouth shut.

[ChildOfThe60s]

I would say its best to just state your emergency and always remember to say you are afraid for your life. Stick to it like a mantra.

Yep

If you are going to carry, it behooves you to read articles from relevant publications about what to say when forced to defend yourself with a gun. Read a lot of them and read them over and over. Like muscle memory when shooting, what to do/say afterwards needs to be reflexive.

[Big Red Badger]

I love this Bar !

Another round Barkeep!

[School of Rational Thought]

911 calls are all recorded, baring malfunctioning equipment. Everything you say can and will be used against you in court.

At least around here (Detroit area) the recording begins immediately and BEFORE anyone picks up at the other end.

[Tijeras_Slim]

What a-holes never seem to realize is that sooner or later you’re going to meet an even bigger one. At that point something bad is going to happen because a-holes are always heavily invested in their a-holeness and won’t have the sense to back away.

[MrB]

“I got him!”

probably not recommended.

[IYAS9YAS]

What a-holes never seem to realize is that sooner or later you’re going to meet an even bigger one. At that point something bad is going to happen because a-holes are always heavily invested in their a-holeness and won’t have the sense to back away.

Yeah. Been there, done that. Backed off. Life's too short. I've mellowed quite a bit, but sometimes not enough.

[loungitude]

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[Augie]

The popo is not your friend.