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To: wildbill

Nope. Not one bit of evidence for it.

The caldera is prehistoric in the extreme. The open side that has been claimed to have brought on the tsunami points more toward the Greek mainland, and yet the Mycenaeans who lived there took over from the Minoans, having been trading partners and then competitors over preceding centuries. It’s not surprising that the palaces on Crete were burned, presumably by invaders, a story at least as old as the Neolithic.

The dating of the fall of the Minoans was actually worsened by Sturt Manning’s posited older date for the eruption, moving it out from 80 years (already foolishly implausible) to about 180, or more.

Further, there’s no evidence tsunamis hit any of the coastlines of the Aegean. Considering how the classical Greeks were aware of the connection between quakes and the sea (hence Poseidon) there must have been tsunamis once in a while, with or without a world-changing level 7 event. Bupkis.

There’s been some *claims* that a very ordinary looking pile of debris was deposited by a tsunami, but it’s only because the excavator *wanted* it to be seen that way. Strange that such a huge tsunami and a multisuperdupermegaeruption didn’t leave clear and obvious signs with Thera as the epicenter, but at the very least, for some major fraction of a mile in each direction from this “find”. Nothing.

Remains of a pre-classical structure (otherwise unremarkable) near the shoreline in, hmm, Crete I think, was supposed to be evidence for that tsunami, but it looked in pretty good shape — could almost throw a roof on it and live in it — and any damage can be accounted for by its age and the fact that it’s been exposed to shoreline conditions for thousands of years. Again, bupkis.

The alleged ash layer found on the east end of Crete was found in an undateable context, and measured in millimeters. Even on Thera, the average ash cover in the eruption strata that buried ancient Akrotiri is curiously small, nothing in fact compared with the depths of ash that buried Pompeii.

There are no giant piles of pumice found anywhere, and the one artifact from Egypt — a floating serving tray, apparently for the pharaoh or a member of his family — was of course immediately and for years after attributed to the supposed eruption. When finally examined, the chemistry showed it was from the Kos volcano and 10’s of 1000’s of years old, having been worked into an artifact a very long time later.

As pumice floats, it’s reasonable to wonder where all of it went.

There are some deposits of pumice in Egypt, but embedded in sedimentary strata, showing their great age. That’s consistent with the 100’s of 1000’s of years old dating for so much major Aegean volcanic activity. In the 1970s some small amount of pumice was found with pottery in some Aegean site, but again, not really possible to date it, and afaik its affinity with Thera was never more than an assumption.

Similarly, small deposits of ash and other traces found in and out of datable contexts, when they have been examined, have been found much more often than not.to not match Thera. An ice core signature from Iceland, that was immediately saddled on as another proof, was shown to not match Thera, instead apparently having come from Mount Aniakchak in the Aleutians.

The only ancient historical record of an eruption on Thera works out to about 200 BC. Herodotus writes rather a lot about the pretty small island, and says nothing about any volcano or eruption, or even any tradition that the whole place was destroyed. Given that he died before 200 BC, that isn’t surprising.

The 1177 BC date is something applied to a fictional event — the comprehensive collapse of the “Bronze Age” Mediterranean followed by a conveniently unattested “dark age”.

Ramses II’s canopic jars have been in a museum in Europe for a long while now. They were brought out of the same cache that had held dozens of pharaonic mummies from the New Kingdom period, including Ramses II’s own. A few years ago the contents, that is, Ramses II’s own guts, were radiocarbon dated. They were nearly 800 years too young to support the conventional pseudochronology. That’s exactly how Velikovsky dated Ramses II. Ramses III is known to have postdated Ramses II.


139 posted on 05/04/2015 12:03:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: SunkenCiv; All
...Ramses II’s canopic jars have been in a museum in Europe for a long while now. They were brought out of the same cache that had held dozens of pharaonic mummies from the New Kingdom period, including Ramses II’s own. A few years ago the contents, that is, Ramses II’s own guts, were radiocarbon dated. They were nearly 800 years too young to support the conventional pseudochronology. That’s exactly how Velikovsky dated Ramses II.

Nicely done. Anyone who can't follow this needs to get hold of a copy of Worlds in Collision.

Worlds in Collision: Immanuel Velikovsky VIDEO LINK

140 posted on 05/04/2015 3:57:18 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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