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NH: As Predicted, Governor Hassan (D) says she will veto constitutional carry
Gun Watch ^ | 1 May, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 04/30/2015 8:48:59 PM PDT by marktwain




As predicted in an article three days ago, before Governor Hassan  had made a definite statement, she says that she will veto the New Hampshire constitutional carry bill.   The bill has passed both the Senate and the House, but not by veto proof margins.  From unionleader.com:

CONCORD — Before the House could take a vote Wednesday, Gov. Maggie Hassan said she would veto a bill that would repeal the requirement for a concealed firearms permit.

The House passed the measure by at 212-150 margin.
Governor Hassan did not explain why the requirement for a permit was necessary, given that the sister state of Vermont has had constitutional carry ever since it was founded, has no permit system, and has murder rates very close to those of New Hampshire, both of which are commonly in the lowest five states in the Union.   Both states have preserved open carry without a license, and the permit system in New Hampshire is not particularly onerous, except that  it allows a bit of "discretion", to rest with the county sheriffs as to whether a permit will be issued or not.  
She said the state’s permitting system gives local law enforcement oversight in order to protect the community, while the person applying can appeal that decision.
It seems clear that the real issue is one of power.  Governor Hassan wants to hang onto a sliver of arbitrary power over whether people may be armed or not.  It does not appear to be exercised much, but it is there, a reminder that it is men who rule, not the rule of law.
 
Her opponents insist that it is the government that must be limited.  That rights should not be arbitrarily restricted, you should not have to pay the government to exercise your rights, fill out forms, and be pre-approved to do that which is constitutionally protected.

Those who insist that the government must set the limits for everyone else are always working to get a wedge in here or there; a requirement for a sheriff or inspector to allow something; fees to bolster the coffers of the government.    The result has been the steady accretion of government power over the last hundred years.

The New Hampshire constitution seems clear:
New Hampshire:  All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state.  Pt. 1, art. 2-a (enacted 1982).
The Vermont provision is a little more verbose:
Vermont:  That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State -- and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.  Ch. I, art. 16 (enacted 1777, ch. I, art. 15).
 It was the Vermont provision that prompted the court decision that has kept Vermont a constitutional carry state for its entire existence.   I do not know if the New Hampshire version has ever been challenged, but then it is only 32 years old.

The Michael Bloomberg organization, Moms Demand Action, was able to provide Governor Hassan  a little cover.
She met with the Democratic caucus before the vote to tell members she would veto the bill, and also told members of the NH Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America of her decision when they delivered hundreds of postcards urging her to veto the bill.
For those who wish to look at the crime rates, here they are:

Link to the disastercenter.com for New Hampshire

Link to the disastercenter.com for Vermont

New Hampshire is unlikely to obtain constitutional carry until they have a change of governor.

 ©2015 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice is included.
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TOPICS: Government; Local News; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitutionalcarry; hassan; newhampshire; nh
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1 posted on 04/30/2015 8:48:59 PM PDT by marktwain
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so the only ones will be the homeboys who will unconstitutional carry.


2 posted on 04/30/2015 8:53:50 PM PDT by willywill
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To: marktwain

So much for that whole “living free” thing, eh?

I’m sure Gov. Hassan is fine with the dying part, though. At least if you’re unborn, or aged and consuming too many healthcare resources.


3 posted on 04/30/2015 8:56:56 PM PDT by DemforBush (Ex-Democrat, and NotforJeb. Just so we're clear.)
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To: marktwain

Live Free or Die?

Motto change needed.


4 posted on 04/30/2015 8:59:18 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Saying that ISIL is not Islamic is like saying Obama is not an Idiot.)
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To: marktwain

Any chance they can override this dumb bitch?


5 posted on 04/30/2015 9:04:41 PM PDT by barefoot_hiker
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To: marktwain

....”the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...”

So we see that the governor does not believe NH is part of the USA ... or at least that being governor means you don’t have to follow the supreme law of America

with anti-American and/or screwed-up politicians like this, we are in very deeeeep dooo doooo


6 posted on 04/30/2015 9:08:42 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (Another brilliantl- intelligent comment sent thru an amazingly-stupid spell checker)
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To: barefoot_hiker

People in Red Hampshire are as dumb as she is.


7 posted on 04/30/2015 9:10:12 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: marktwain

Live subdued and die.


8 posted on 04/30/2015 9:10:47 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: P-Marlowe

“Live Free or Die?

Motto change needed.”

Live FRee or Die Hard!


9 posted on 04/30/2015 9:12:09 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: marktwain

And their next door neighbor, Vermont, has always had the loosest gun laws in the country and enjoyed (as NH does, I’m sure) a very low crime rate.

Both states are also totally white, full disclosure compels me to add that.


10 posted on 04/30/2015 9:17:27 PM PDT by jocon307 (Tell it like it is.)
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To: marktwain
The New Hampshire constitution seems clear:

New Hampshire: All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state. Pt. 1, art. 2-a (enacted 1982).

The Vermont provision is a little more verbose:

Vermont: That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State -- and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power. Ch. I, art. 16 (enacted 1777, ch. I, art. 15).

Look carefully. See how New Hampshire says "persons" and Vermont says "the people"? Government-granted privileges versus God-given rights, respectively.

Right there in black-and-white, if you know what you're looking at.

11 posted on 04/30/2015 9:18:22 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: DemforBush
Or perhaps if you’re an infidel. (Her husband runs the Phillips Exeter Academy Madrassah.)
12 posted on 04/30/2015 10:03:52 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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13 posted on 04/30/2015 10:07:31 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State -- and as stan)
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To: Jet Jaguar

That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State — and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.


14 posted on 04/30/2015 10:08:23 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: PGalt

“Live subdued and die.... then pay a death tax...”


15 posted on 04/30/2015 10:09:45 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: jocon307

[[Both states are also totally white,]]

Her last name is Hassan- not totally white-


16 posted on 04/30/2015 10:10:52 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: Bob434

“Live subdued and die.... then pay a death tax…”

8. (4) A great debt will require great taxes; great taxes, many taxgatherers and other officers; and all officers are auxiliaries of power.

6. But the grand nostrum will be a public debt, provided enough of it can be got and it be medicated with the proper ingredients. If by good fortune a debt be ready at hand, the most is to be made of it. Stretch it and swell it to the utmost the items will bear. Allow as many extra claims as decency will permit. Assume all the debts of your neighbors - in a word, get as much debt as can be raked and scraped together, and when you have got all you can, “advertise” for more, and have the debt made as big as possible. This object being accomplished, the next will be to make it as perpetual as possible; and the next to that, to get it into as few hands as possible. The more effectually to bring this about, modify the debt, complicate it, divide it, subdivide it, subtract it, postpone it, let there be one-third of two-thirds, and two-thirds of one-third, and two-thirds of two-thirds; let there be 3 percents, and 4 percents, and 6 percents, and present 6 percents, and future 6 percents. To be brief, let the whole be such a mystery that a few only can understand it; and let all possible opportunities and informations fall in the way of these few to cinch their advantages over the many.

/Freneau “Rules”

Rules for Radicals? No, “Rules…

http://www.constitution.org/cmt/freneau/republic2monarchy.htm

http://www.usdebtclock.org

http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-new-hampshire-debt-clock.html


17 posted on 04/30/2015 10:57:57 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: marktwain

Hassan. Is that an Arabic name?


18 posted on 04/30/2015 11:04:52 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

One of my classmates in HS was Hassan and she claimed to be from Egypt originally.


19 posted on 04/30/2015 11:11:49 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Theodore R.

Not all of us.
Most of them are
Massholes.
There has been an uptick of Maryland license plate sightings in the last few days.


20 posted on 05/01/2015 3:13:42 AM PDT by lucky american (Progressives are attacking our rights and y'all will sit there and take it.)
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