Posted on 03/21/2015 8:37:42 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
The U.S. is seeing a growing number of “preppers” or survivalists who prepare to live for months at a time in the event of a disaster. CCTV America’s Sean Callebs reported this story from Atlanta.
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There are those who believe you have to be prepared now, because the end will come in a flash. A pandemic flue nearly 100 years ago, for example, killed as much as five percent of the global population.
Preppers say they’re ready to survive in the worst scenaro.
“I had a friend who described it very well as — there’s those who prep because they know they need to and there’s those who prep because it’s a hobby. With me it’s a hobby,” James Knight, a decorated military vet, aircraft mechanic, and self-identified prepper said.
Rice, and other grains are frozen – vacuum sealed with oxygen to preserve it.
Catering to “preppers” or “survivalists” is big business that generated at least $600 million a year. There are even prepper conventions.
If it says survivalist on it, people want to buy it.
Some items are cheap while others are expensive. For example one can spend up to $290,000 for a 2,800-square-foot concrete-and-steel-reinforced underground home.
“Our structures have ten foot ceilings and 12 foot ceilings. We have all the amenities and the custom finishes of your traditional home. The only difference is we don’t have windows,” Bobby McLennan, founding partner of Safe Home Structures said.
After a few weeks after your food runs out You'll be looking for long pork recipes.
How many H1-B visas’s have come in since the 80s? In an economy than grows by 200 thousand people a month just to stay even......I think you’re still talking about a tiny percentage....but I confess to not knowing the stats.
you haven’t properly understood a single sentence I’ve written today....sheesh dude, this explains so much. It really does.
And no, I did NOT get rich, and made it clear on two posts, maybe more. Then again, it takes the ability to read. All I said was charity and altruism are NOT the FOUNDATION - ie - the BASIS - for a society. And they are NOT. They are good. They are necessary, but they’ve never ever been the foundation of any society and they never ever will be - because they are simply not foundational building blocks. Let me repeat for the hard of reading: they are good, they are needed, but they are NOT the foundation.
And yet, you go off half cocked about what I said, when it’s just not true. Not a single statement you’ve made characterizing my posts is even remotely correct. So are you a liar? Or stupid? Or both? I’m sorry the free enterprise system has been so bad to you that you don’t appreciate it’s place in the world of charity.
You still have not clarified what you men, but you do seem disdainful of people giving of themselves.
To: AppyPappy
With your tag line and that statement...its not much of a stretch to suggest that YOU are what has gone Wrong with our country...our society.....voluntary altruism....and free good will...and honesty....is what builds societies....When that goes away... they retract then collapse....of course there are many lesser systems...that involve Involuntary altruism....usually government sponsored....YOU must be a supporter of these?...Maybe You could do U.S. all a favor and move?
Thanks
43 posted on 3/21/2015, 9:23:14 AM by therapsida
To: therapsida
***what has gone Wrong with our country...our society.....voluntary altruism....and free good will...and honesty....is what builds societies...***
Sorry, that’s not true. What builds society are family and opportunity with limited government. Volunteerism and good will and honesty come from a society with liberty and opportunity. If you don’t have opportunity, you are no good in the charity department.
70 posted on 3/21/2015, 10:26:02 AM by C. Edmund Wright
To: C. Edmund Wright; therapsida
If you don’t have opportunity, you are no good in the charity department.
It depends on what you give to charity, cash, or time and labor.
One doesn’t have to have a good income to be serving his fellow man and practicing altruism and honesty and free good will.
77 posted on 3/21/2015, 10:32:57 AM by ansel12
To: ansel12
no, but it requires liberty and opportunity, period, end of discussion. Nothing can be given away that is not owned - be it time or property. Without opportunity and liberty, there is no time or property possible. Period.
87 posted on 3/21/2015, 10:41:16 AM by C. Edmund Wright
To: C. Edmund Wright
What does that mean, that being nice and helpful to others “requires liberty and opportunity”?
What would it take to change my personal inclination for charity and helping my fellow man for example?
101 posted on 3/21/2015, 10:51:16 AM by ansel12
To: ansel12
An inclination is of no use without an ability - an ability to do something means you own your time and your property, so that you can invest your time and your property (including money, etc) in whatever cause is important to you.
B cannot happen without A.
Sure, you can be nice without freedom and opportunity - and your motives can be perfect - but you cannot accomplish anything without it. You just can’t.
134 posted on 3/21/2015, 11:21:27 AM by C. Edmund Wright
To: C. Edmund Wright
I already asked you for clarification, not for you to repeat yourself, what are you trying to say?
What does that mean, that being nice and helpful to others “requires liberty and opportunity”?
What would it take to change my personal inclination for charity and helping my fellow man for example?
Why does it take money to be charitable and to give your spare time to a cause or to helping others? I don’t know what visions of “helping” are in your mind, tuxedo wearing check writers?
142 posted on 3/21/2015, 11:29:27 AM by ansel12 (Palin—Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: ansel12
I just said that being nice does NOT require it - but you cannot be helpful if you do not own your TIME or your PROPERTY. What is so hard about that? You can’t be helpful if you are not there (owning your time) or your money isn’t there (owning your property).
Great charity comes from success. Charity, like taxes, can only happen when there is a PROFIT from which to give or to tax. DUH. And profits cannot happen when there is no freedom or opportunity. Being nice is fine, but often of very little consequence. Maybe you’ve never been able to contribute consequential amounts. It’s a great feeling when you can do it.
143 posted on 3/21/2015, 11:32:58 AM by C. Edmund Wright
Now THAT is some serious barter material....
Yes. And thank you for correcting my "aways" as "a ways" - my time-lagged attention to detail is maddening.
If my vehicle doesn’t break down, I can get there in 4 if clear, 5-6 if I have to go out of my way to avoid citiots on the way there.
[ If my vehicle doesn’t break down, I can get there in 4 if clear, 5-6 if I have to go out of my way to avoid citiots on the way there. ]
Do you have an older EMP Proof vehicle?
I'd be more worried about EMP's in major metro areas and defense industry strongholds. NY, DC, LA, Chicago, San Diego (defense industry), Seattle.
My lil ol pinion...first order of buisness for a prepper, get out of the major population centers while there is plenty of time.
If you and your family get stranded within the city, you will be forced to defend what you have and if you don’t have, you will compete for what little there will be.
Average time store shelves will be depeleted is three days.
Just sayin
You can have decent emergency groups in a city. They become more fort Apache than Little House.
The issue is that most people do not have somewhere to go. And just showing up on someone’s lawn is not going to work.
Recently I was laughing about this while having some work done on my VT house. The local and I were talking about surviving the zombie apocalypse. He told me by the time I got my family there, there would not be a deer for fifty miles, and probably nothing larger than a chipmunk because the locals would take them out.
If it becomes anarchy, get with your group and work your plan. But getting out of the city without a plan is as good of a plan of shooting your family in the heir heads, and saving the last bullet for yourself.
I don’t want an underground shelter. I’ve played paintball wargames for years. Those in the bunker...always die. lol
What’cha need a bunker for anyhow? If there is a newkler stange...not gonna be much to return to. If you are in a bunker and bad guyz come prowling round, they are gonna find your air intake unless your real well hidden.
I’d rather hunker above ground with warning systems in place, round the clock gaurd posts and everyone in the family locked, loaded and ready to defend.
Make sure there is another man around. Your husband will be shot dead before the end of the first week.
It’s my fault. I should’ve known better than to make a joke on here. Too many fricken keyboard warriors. Oh by the way. Since hubby was special forces I’d put him up against any of you at any time.
Thx for having a sense of humor.
You have great points for sure. If I still lived in the city, I’d do just as you’ve said. The biggest problem will be Obama’s chitlens and Obama’s imports. The other is neighbors that just walked around in life...duh, who da guy the Cowboyz just picked up...hey, did’ja see that chick on merican idol lass night? Kidding around of coarse, in a serious kinda way.
I moved my family out to the country several years ago. Put in a well, stocked food and stuff and everythang. Put in a garden (which I really suck at), got a load of chickens, horses, propane generator and a big ol propane tank. Workin on the gold and silver thang, liquer and other trade stuff.
Lots of catfish in the local lakes, ponds. Lotsa feral hogs...oh yummy those ugly b@st@rds.
There is really only so much you can do. I consider myself fairly prepared, but compared to some...inadequate. Just have to work on it.
There are macro issues and micro issues.
On the macro side, I owned my own business for the past fourteen years. All American and the products we bought were all US.
On the micro side, we all do what we can.
Now what exactly do you suggest we do, as individuals, in the context of this thread?
Your points might be valid, but in the context of this discussion it’s akin to a discussion on how to change shock absorbers in the middle of Sunday service.
I gave up Facebook and eating snacks for lent.
In that time I have lost five pounds, passed my first two HAM radio tests (and will be taking my third next week), and I learned how to reload ammo. I communicated with the people I wanted to communicate with through Emil and telephone.
What an obscene amount of time I was spending. Not all on Facebook—but on wasted computer time. I cannot get it back, but I won’t make that mistake again.
It could all go down tomorrow, and I would not miss it for a second.
That will not happen in your lifetime. Come up with another plan.
If we have a nuclear war, I want a shelter that will save my life and keep off the radiation.
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