Rob Bell And The Progressive Emergent Church Embrace Sodomite Marriage

Leo McNeil ^ | February 20, 2015 | Leo McNeil

[LeoMcNeil]

Rob Bell is a progressive former mega-church pastor. He is also a heretic who, since giving up the mega-church pastoring gig, has been hanging out with the likes of Oprah Winfrey. Bell was part of the emergent church, which engaged in “conversations” and rejected historic Christianity. While the emergents like to pretend they’re new, hip and cool, the reality is they’re no different than the other progressive churches out there which have rejected historic Christianity. The difference between the emergent church and the pentecostal or baptist churches is only how they demonstrate their rejection of historic Christianity. Rather than rolling on the floor, the emergent church sips a Starbucks and has a “conversation” that looks remarkably like a sermon. Their conversation is distinctly post-modern, absolute truth is rejected.

Rob Bell was one of the leaders of the emergent church. Perhaps he still is. He gave up his church in supposedly conservative Grand Rapids, Michigan to hang out with Oprah and Hollywood Starlets out in Los Angeles. His most recent book argued there is no Hell and no one actually goes to Hell. These days he’s busy pushing homosexual marriage. He has argued that the church is moments away from embracing such a bastardization of marriage. Worse, he argues that the church shouldn’t rely on “2,000 year old letters” to form an opposition to homosexual conduct. If Christians cannot and should not rely on God’s word as contained in scripture, what exactly are we supposed to rely upon?

Bell of course argues we should rely upon personal experiences, in particular we should rely on the people placed before us. This is typical progressive nonsense, dripping in post-modernism. Bell’s argument really comes down to not believing in any truth whatsoever so we might as well be nice to the sexual perverts that may be in our lives. Of course being nice to such people is a truth, so that might get a little sticky at some point. Basically, if the wider culture embraces something Bell believes the church should follow. We shouldn’t look to scripture because that’s old. We must embrace the new and modern, even if it contains no truth. We want the church to be relevant after all.

The problem of course is that if we reject Paul’s 2,000 year old letters (to say nothing of the legal proclamations of Moses which are several thousand years older) why not reject the entire gospel of Jesus Christ? The gospels are just as old as Paul’s letters and they contain more foolishness to the world than Paul’s condemnation of homosexual acts. The gospels after all claim a virgin birth, a resurrection from the dead and an ascension into Heaven. They make the preposterous argument that some man named Jesus died for the sins of an elect. Not only that, this Jesus claims he’s God. What a silly, small minded, old fashioned thing to believe. Yet Bell doesn’t outright reject the gospel, the niceties of hippy Jesus give modern man the warm fuzzies.

Bell’s and the progressive and emergent church’s apostasy is clear. They reject scripture unless it suits their purposes, whatever they may be. There are plenty of Christian denominations which have been completely overtaken by progressive “higher criticism” and rejected everything relating to Christ’s birth and resurrection. Bell is well on his way to this, rejecting anything supernatural while keeping the stories about Christ being nice to wicked people. In doing so, they miss the entire point of those stories. But that doesn’t matter to the post-modern emergent church or to Rob Bell. These people really don’t believe in anything. They reject the Bible and they lie to people by offering a little bit of the Bible in the form of Christ’s niceties while rejecting everything else. That’s how Bell can embrace homosexual marriage despite God’s specific creation of marriage in the Garden of Eden between one man and one woman and multiple examples of homosexual conduct declared sin in scripture. In the end, Bell and any church or person who adopts such a position will do nothing but lead himself and others to Hell.

[Elsie]

Do you have any evidence of the flood, flaming hover chariots, Hebrew slaves in Egypt, Adam, Even, Noah’s giant boat, the miracles of Christ, Christ’s resurrection, John’s vision, war in heaven, etc...

Remember; your religion is BUILT on top of this foundation.

Do you REALLY want to tear it down?

[Elsie]

Do you have any evidence of the Golden Tablets, boats with holes in the bottom, Hebrew DNA in American Indians, Curloms, Steel being found in pre-Columbian America, Liahona, Magic Spectacles, Personage #2 ever saying ANYTHING, cities of Lamanites, war evidence from MASSIVE battles, etc...

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THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI

HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY

CHAPTER 16

The wicked take the truth to be hard—Lehi’s sons marry the daughters of Ishmael—The Liahona guides their course in the wilderness—Messages from the Lord are written on the Liahona from time to time—Ishmael dies; his family murmur because of afflictions. Between 600 and 592 B.C.

1 And now it came to pass that after I, Nephi, had made an end of speaking to my brethren, behold they said unto me: Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear.

2 And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken ^ahard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, the ^bguilty taketh the ^ctruth to be hard, for it ^dcutteth them to the very center.

3 And now my brethren, if ye were righteous and were willing to hearken to the truth, and give heed unto it, that ye might ^awalk uprightly before God, then ye would not murmur because of the truth, and say: Thou speakest hard things against us.

4 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did exhort my brethren, with all diligence, to keep the commandments of the Lord.

5 And it came to pass that they did ^ahumble themselves before the Lord; insomuch that I had joy and great hopes of them, that they would walk in the paths of righteousness.

6 Now, all these things were said and done as my father dwelt in a tent in the ^avalley which he called Lemuel.

7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, took one of the ^adaughters of Ishmael to ^bwife; and also, my brethren took of the ^cdaughters of Ishmael to wife; and also ^dZoram took the eldest daughter of Ishmael to wife.

8 And thus my father had fulfilled all the ^acommandments of the Lord which had been given unto him. And also, I, Nephi, had been blessed of the Lord exceedingly.

9 And it came to passthat the voice of the Lord spake unto my father by night, and commanded him that on the morrow he should take his ^ajourney into the wilderness.

10 And it came to passthat as my father arose in the morning, and went forth to the tent door, to his great astonishment he beheld upon the ground a round ^aball of curious workmanship; and it was of fine brass. And within the ball were two spindles; and the one ^bpointed the way whither we should go into the wilderness.

11 And it came to passthat we did gather together whatsoever things we should carry into the wilderness, and all the remainder of our provisions which the Lord had given unto us; and we did take ^aseed of every kind that we might carry into the wilderness.

12 And it came to pass that we did take our tents and depart into the wilderness, across the river Laman.

13 And it came to pass that we traveled for the space of four days, nearly a south-southeast direction, and we did pitch our tents again; and we did call the name of the place ^aShazer.

14 And it came to pass that we did take our bows and our arrows, and go forth into the wilderness to slay food for our families; and after we had slain food for our families we did return again to our families in the wilderness, to the place of Shazer. And we did go forth again in the wilderness, following the same direction, keeping in the most fertile parts of the wilderness, which were in the borders near the ^aRed Sea.

15 And it came to pass that we did travel for the space of many days, ^aslaying food by the way, with our bows and our arrows and our stones and our slings.

16 And we did follow the ^adirections of the ball, which led us in the more fertile parts of the wilderness.

17 And after we had traveled for the space of many days, we did pitch our tents for the space of a time, that we might again rest ourselves and obtain food for our families.

18 And it came to pass that as I, Nephi, went forth to slay food, behold, I did break my bow, which was made of fine ^asteel; and after I did break my bow, behold, my brethren were angry with me because of the loss of my bow, for we did obtain no food.

19 And it came to pass that we did return without food to our families, and being much fatigued, because of their journeying, they did suffer much for the want of food.

20 And it came to pass that Laman and Lemuel and the sons of Ishmael did begin to murmur exceedingly, because of their sufferings and afflictions in the wilderness; and also my father began to murmur against the Lord his God; yea, and they were all exceedingly sorrowful, even that they did ^amurmur against the Lord.

21 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, having been afflicted with my brethren because of the loss of my bow, and their bows having lost their ^asprings, it began to be exceedingly difficult, yea, insomuch that we could obtain no food.

22 And it came to pass I, Nephi, did speak much unto my brethren, because they had hardened their hearts again, even unto ^acomplaining against the Lord their God.

23 And it came to pass I, Nephi, did ^amake out of wood a bow, and out of a straight stick, an arrow; wherefore, I did arm myself with a bow and an arrow, with a sling and with stones. And I said unto my ^bfather: Whither shall I go to obtain food?

24 And it came to pass that he did ^ainquire of the Lord, for they had ^bhumbled themselves because of my words; for I did say many things unto them in the energy of my soul.

25 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord came unto my father; and he was truly ^achastened because of his murmuring against the Lord, insomuch that he was brought down into the depths of sorrow.

26 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord said unto him: Look upon the ball, and behold the things which are written.

27 And it came to pass that when my father beheld the things which were ^awritten upon the ball, he did fear and tremble exceedingly, and also my brethren and the sons of Ishmael and our wives.

28 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the pointers which were in the ball, that they did work according to the ^afaith and diligence and heed which we did give unto them.

29 And there was also written upon them a new writing, which was plain to be read, which did give us ^aunderstanding concerning the ways of the Lord; and it was written and changed from time to time, according to the faith and diligence which we gave unto it. And thus we see that by ^bsmall means the Lord can bring about great things.

30 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did go forth up into the top of the mountain, according to the ^adirections which were given upon the ball.

31 And it came to pass that I did slay wild ^abeasts, insomuch that I did obtain food for our families.

32 And it came to pass that I did return to our tents, bearing the beasts which I had slain; and now when they beheld that I had obtained ^afood, how great was their joy! And it came to pass that they did humble themselves before the Lord, and did give thanks unto him.

33 And it came to pass that we did again take our journey, traveling nearly the same course as in the beginning; and after we had traveled for the space of many days we did pitch our tents again, that we might tarry for the space of a time.

34 And it came to pass that ^aIshmael died, and was buried in the place which was called ^bNahom.

35 And it came to pass that the daughters of Ishmael did ^amourn exceedingly, because of the loss of their father, and because of their ^bafflictions in the wilderness; and they did ^cmurmur against my father, because he had brought them out of the land of Jerusalem, saying: Our father is dead; yea, and we have wandered much in the wilderness, and we have suffered much affliction, hunger, thirst, and fatigue; and after all these sufferings we must perish in the wilderness with hunger.

36 And thus they did murmur against my father, and also against me; and they were desirous to ^areturn again to Jerusalem.

37 And Laman said unto Lemuel and also unto the sons of Ishmael: Behold, let us ^aslay our father, and also our brother Nephi, who has taken it upon him to be our ^bruler and our teacher, who are his elder brethren.

38 Now, he says that the Lord has talked with him, and also that ^aangels have ministered unto him. But behold, we know that he lies unto us; and he tells us these things, and he worketh many things by his cunning arts, that he may deceive our eyes, thinking, perhaps, that he may lead us away into some strange wilderness; and after he has led us away, he has thought to make himself a king and a ruler over us, that he may do with us according to his will and pleasure. And after this manner did my brother Laman ^bstir up their hearts to ^canger.

39 And it came to pass that the Lord was with us, yea, even the voice of the Lord came and did speak many words unto them, and did ^achasten them exceedingly; and after they were chastened by the voice of the Lord they did turn away their anger, and did repent of their sins, insomuch that the Lord did bless us again with food, that we did not perish.

 

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[cookcounty]

Baptists roll on floors?

How come in the 4,000+ Baptist services I've been in, I never seen that?

Calm down, focus. Thank you.

[StormPrepper]

Only in your dreams!

I'm guessing that was the justification for the inquisition.

[liberalism is suicide]

Acts 17:1-4;10-12,Rom.10:17,and 2 Tim.3:15-17 point out that man’s intellect has a part in producing faith. God does not force us against our will to believe and obey Him.

[Theophilus]

Intellect, faith and the will are all totally subject to their Creator.

[StormPrepper]

[Elsie]"Remember; your religion is BUILT on top of this foundation.

Do you REALLY want to tear it down?"

I understand why you're trying to dodge the question, but this isn't about me. This is about you.

So, I'll ask the question again..

Do YOU have any evidence of the flood, flaming hover chariots, Hebrew slaves in Egypt, Adam, Even, Noah’s giant boat, the miracles of Christ, Christ’s resurrection, John’s vision, war in heaven, etc...

Well, do you?

[StormPrepper]

[Elsie]Do you have any evidence of the flood, flaming hover chariots, Hebrew slaves in Egypt, Adam, Even, Noah’s giant boat, the miracles of Christ, Christ’s resurrection, John’s vision, war in heaven, etc...

Why won't you answer this question? What are you afraid of? Its so painfully obvious that you're grasping for straws to avoid it.

It's like I said before, you have nothing. I fail to see why anyone would give any consideration to your words attacking someone else's religion when you can't even answer simple questions about your own.

Which church do you claim to belong to? I've asked you this before, why are you so ashamed of your religion you won't proclaim it?

[Elsie]

I'm guessing that was the justification for the inquisition.

There's no need to guess.

Reading Is Fundamental.

After that comes Thinking About the Content.

Then comes Deciding based on Evidence.

If Salt Lake City did NOT want it's history and Scriptures Read, Thought About, and Decided on; then WHY does it send out SO many fresh young faces each year to give people a BoM to READ, pray about, and decide on?

A rational soul would wonder if that same logic extends to ALL of SLC's output over the years.

[Elsie]

I understand why you're trying to dodge the question, but this isn't about me. This is about you.

One merely needs to look up thread to see who is dodging what.

This is not about me OR you.

It's about whether the things SLC teaches are accurate.

[Elsie]

I've asked you this before, why are you so ashamed of your religion you won't proclaim it?

Fear is something MORMONs should know about.

They get taught, early on, how the world is against them and their religion.

They are taught that a good offense can overcome a weak defense.

It appears that they are NOT taught how to slither away from non-faith building facts about their religions history and writings; no matter how many hours they spend under the tutelage of respected men like Prof. Millet.

 

 

Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 

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http://mormontruthnews.blogspot.com/2006/10/robert-millet-former-dean-of-religious_01.html

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Timeline...    Subject...

 

0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

 

 

 

 

 

[Elsie]

I fail to see why anyone would give any consideration to your words attacking someone else's religion when you can't even answer simple questions about your own.

No one should!

But why should they IGNORE their OWN religion's words???

Can they not ACCEPT them and EMBRACE them?

Why should ANYONE ignore clear teaching of the Bible?

Is the messenger THAT important that the MESSAGE can be dismissed if the recipient of the message does like the way the message is delivered?

Perhaps I should wait for the mailman today (we still have Saturday delivery out here in the boonies) and If I can find some reason to dislike her(him), then I can tell him(her) to return all them BILLS to the sender!

[Colofornian]

Two threads just posted:

* The Sacraments: Lecture 4 - Baptist Objections to Infant Baptism and the Reformed Response (Dr. Kim Riddleberger, who's been one of the hosts of the radio program, The White Horse Inn)

* Why We Baptize Babies (The Case for Infant Baptism) [Conservative Lutheran position] [Lutheran Church Missouri-Synod Pastor Richard Bucher, Th.D]

[Elsie]

Bump

[StormPrepper]

But why should they IGNORE their OWN religion's words???

Who says the are?

Can they not ACCEPT them and EMBRACE them?

Who says they are not?

Why should ANYONE ignore clear teaching of the Bible?

My feelings exactly. But oh the irony.

Is the messenger THAT important that the MESSAGE can be dismissed if the recipient of the message does like the way the message is delivered?

Yes, when the messenger includes his own conclusion as part of the message. Yes, when the messenger keeps repeating the same message you've answered time and time again, but the messenger won't accept your response. Yes, when you already know the message. Yes, Yes, Yes, etc...

[StormPrepper]

Fear is something MORMONs should know about.

They get taught, early on, how the world is against them and their religion.

Really? I don't remember getting a class on it. But it's ironic that you would say this considering the content of nearly all your posts.

They are taught that a good offense can overcome a weak defense.

Really? I don't remember being taught this at all. I have been taught to love my enemies though.

It appears that they are NOT taught how to slither away

In a previous post you asked how anyone could ignore the messenger... here's a good example of why.

[StormPrepper]

If Salt Lake City did NOT want it's history and Scriptures Read, Thought About, and Decided on;

But you're not trying to decide are you? You've made your decision. Now you've moved on to some other motivation. So don't try to cloak yourself in those words.

[Elsie]

But why should they IGNORE their OWN religion's words???

Who says the are?

This thread...

Posts 57,58,67,70,71,73,79,81,82,83,84,88,97,100,118,119,122,129,130,131

[Elsie]

So don't try to cloak yourself in those words.

Sweet; coming from someone who publicly ignores the words of his own chosen religion.

One can only assume that he agrees with them since he makes no effort to distance himself from them.

[StormPrepper]

“But why should they IGNORE their OWN religion’s words???

Who says the are?

This thread...”

I’m not going to waste my time responding to every cut and paste job you spam this forum with. Sorry, not going to happen. Ignoring the words of my Church leaders? Never. I quite enjoy them. Ignoring you? Yea, all the time.