Posted on 12/21/2014 9:07:07 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
We already are, they (Obama et al) know we are, and that knowledge is all that's holding them back.
The Republican Party can die just as fast as the Whig Party did when the Whig Party was fractured and most of its members became Republicans. There should be a new 3rd party made up of patriotic Democrats, Republicans, Tea Party activists, and rational Libertarians. let the GOP-e defect to the Democrats. How about naming the new party the Constitution Party?
The two major parties have insinuated themselves into procedure, custom and law to such an extent that I think it would be less work to take over the Republican Party from the inside than to stand up an alternative third party that was sufficiently credible to garner enough votes to overcome both the Democrat as well as the remnant Republican votes and thus win enough House and Senate seats to cause meaningful policy change.
We only have to go back to when Ross Peroit ran for President as an independent to see what would happen.
The Senate sent BHO a letter months ago advising him not to sigh the Small Arms Treaty as they will never ratify it in the Senate.
To be fair, Ross Peroit’s campaign was a 20th century campaign, putting third parties at a distinct disadvantage with regards to media exposure and money. However, a 21st century campaign with effective use of social media and crowd-funding could even the campaign odds. Men like Cruz and Allen West would be terrific candidates for restoring the honor of the Republican party, but the GOP leadership don’t want them as candidates! So we probably wont get them for 2016. But, if either of them ran as Independents? They might get the typical R voter to switch to Independent, and grab the independent swing voters who are tired of R’s and D’s. So far, the last one-hundred years have been an endless cycle of Democrats and Republicans taking office, with both steadily whittling away at our rights and livelihood. I know a three way race is risky, but at this point, its all or nothing. Whether the next POTUS is a GOPe, or a Socialist Dem? We are still screwed. Might as well try something different, before the cartridge boxes start opening.
Obama is going to go after the guns through ObamaCare. It won’t start right away, not until he is leaving office.
What he is going to do is charge increased Obamacare fees for every every gun that a family owns.
If they want to start CW II this one way to strike the spark.
And Pediatricians are required to ask the children, when their parents my be out of the appt. room, if there are any guns in their house. The evildoing is insidious.
Rinos running things? What could possibly go wrong?
When the Republicans betray the country too, to whom do we turn??? A third party candidate will just assure a Dem win in 2016.May be true. But that argument is old, stale and tired. If you can't give voters a reason to vote *FOR* you, then you've already lost. Folks aren't going to tolerate it anymore. The GOP has betrayed us so consistently and so reprehensibly, that folks don't care anymore.
Do you have a believable alternate argument, other than "3rd party elects Dems"? We've never really given a concerted effort to a third party candidate yet. Hell, it *might* work - especially in these times when both "D" and "R" are so politically offensive. Because if the GOP runs another RINO and not a conservative, then from the way the political winds feel to me, you might as well go ahead and crown Hilary.
Let me put it another way: Allowing the GOP to run their usual candidate and at the same time coordinate and fund attacks on conservatives will turn off enough "R" voters to *also* elect the Dem. So in that case, why not go ahead and vote for the conservative, whether they are registered conservative or some other 3rd party? A big govt statist is still a big govt statist, whether they have a "D" or "R" by their name. Besides, perhaps the poll numbers showing a respectable count for the third party will (at least) send a message. That is really the only way we have to register our displeasure with the way the country is going.
The problem is the GOP; *NOT* the voters and no I don't have any answers. That will take someone far smarter than me. But at this point, with the tremendous backstabbing from Boehner and McConnell, folks just don't give a damn any more. They aren't convinced there is any more than a nickel's worth of difference between Boehner/McConnell's high-level goals and the Dems.
You want folks to vote "R" over a solid conservative? You are going to have to overcome that. Your best bet is to get a solid conservative to run under the "R" and convince the voters that the GOPe has no undue influence over him.
That's the way I see it. Opinions may vary.
We only have to go back to when Ross Peroit ran for President as an independent to see what would happen.That's not a convincing point. Two reasons:
1. The Dems and Repubs were not as near universally despised as they are right now. The season is RIPE for a new party to rise up *IF* it has capable leadership and compelling candidates.
2. It was Ross "Doofus" Perot. A veritable cartoon in real life. Then his VP pick, "Why am I here?". Doomed from the start.
The real problem is that the Dems have a lock at minimum on 40% of the vote via the entitlement army.
So to beat them with a 3rd party, you’ll have to reduce the Republicans below 20%, an incredibly difficult task, especially with Republicans now so strong in state governments.
I experienced the Ross Perot election, and all of the Conservatives who voted for him feel they lost the election to the democrats because of it. Later it was discovered the Democrats were overjoyed for the third party candidate.
http://presidentelect.org/e1996.html
If you note on this link, when the country starts that 3rd party candidate promotion, there are numerous people who jump into the election, and get votes that would have gone to one candidate.
You can evaluate it yourself on the link.
Oh and on that link of Perot election, do not forget to add up all the numbers at the bottom of other party candidates and the misc and write ins...that helps to see how this works out, as the disgruntled all waffle over who to vote for.
I experienced the Ross Perot election, and all of the Conservatives who voted for him feel they lost the election to the democrats because of it. Later it was discovered the Democrats were overjoyed for the third party candidate.I experienced that Perot campaign season too.
Two reasons I think "now" may be different:
1. The Dems and Repubs were not as near universally despised as they are right now. The season is RIPE for a new party to rise up *IF* it has capable leadership and compelling candidates.
2. It was Ross "Doofus" Perot. A veritable cartoon in real life. Then his VP pick, "Why am I here?". Doomed from the start.
To be absolutely clear - I don't know that a third party would win, but I do think that if there was ever a chance for a third party to get it's foot in the door, now is as good a time as any. Pretty much every poll shows *DEEP* dissatisfaction with both parties in congress and the presidency. I don't remember it being anywhere near this bad when Perot ran.
...So to beat them with a 3rd party...I don't think anyone realistically believes a 3rd party can take over in a single election season.
There may be as many scenarios to an ascendant third party as there are voting districts, but nothing will happen until there's a third party with capable leadership, fundraising and compelling candidates. I haven't heard of either in combination lately.
However, if the GOP runs candidates who smell of "RINO" and funds/coordinates trashing conservative candidates, third party votes won't matter. The problem will be finding voters who can muster the intestinal fortitude and stomach going to the polls. And after all that effort, the Dem candidate will still win. Handily. Besides, I can't think of anything else that would drive people to a third party more assuredly than the way the GOP behaved in this recent election.
Further, folks are going to bristle and rebel at any mention of the tired old, worn-out, re-treaded argument, "Vote GOP cause 3rd party elects Dems". If the crux of the GOP's campaign is going to be "Vote for us or the Dem wins", then just hang it up. It's over before it's started.
The GOP candidates better have a clear, convincing, small govt argument for why anyone should vote for them. And a bunch of conservative voters will have their B.S. detectors highly calibrated and scanning 360 degrees. There are no more "gimme" elections for the GOP. I'd say that Boehner and McConnell have seen to that.
I have one even better for you...
My right to own weapons doesn't rely on the Constitution, that right is unalienable (a natural right) and the Constitution merely states that our government is supposed to protect that right.
THAT is what gun control control freaks don't want everyone to know.
(Oh, wait...people don't understand natural rights as they don't even know what a natural born citizen is under natural law. Never mind.) /sarcasm
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