Posted on 10/12/2014 1:10:33 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
Last week, the Supreme Court declined to hear several Appeals Court cases on gay marriages, which resulted in bans on gay marriage being struck down in numerous states across the country.
Following the Supreme Court's decision to punt on the issue of gay marriage, Meet the Press moderator Chuck Todd saw this as a sign that social conservatism was declining and obnoxiously asked "it is time for conservatives to surrender in the culture wars?"
After playing a pre-packaged segment on the evolution of social conservatism in the United States, the NBC host did his best to portray social conservatives as being on the losing side of public opinion:
The stuff has moved whether it's on abortion, whether it's on gay marriage, whether it's on marijuana legalization. The culture wars have shifted to the left. Many Republicans are trying to acknowledge that general public shift. And yet it's going to cause some heartburn. ...
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You’re correct.
IN this day with Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and whatever else is out there, the leftards and their media true believers, present themselves as the majority opinion, then tweet and post their way into the illusion that their line of thought is the most reasoned, and to a certain extent inevitable.
They have as you say stacked the judiciary with their like minded fellow travelers and to a certain extent their way of thinking is inevitable. Now the question of where it leads is obvious, the destruction of the Constitution, and the reconstitution according to their version of utopia.
The problem with them is that once they have power they are too unreserved to excersize proper restraint, see Che Guevera and the Castro brothers. When their palns inevitable fail into tyranny, they always blame the “wreckers” and anyone else they can to explain way the disastrous results the befall the people under their control.
Unfortunately, you're several years out of date.
Here's my best compilation of how states got gay marriage into place. Please note this may not be entirely accurate, and in some states the record is more complicated than indicated here.
Legislative action (11): IL, HI, NJ, MN, DE, RI, NY, DC, NH, VT, CT
Referendum (3): MD, ME, WA
Court decision (federal or state) (15): NC, WV, NV, CO, IN, WI, VA, OK, UT, PA, OR, NM, IA, CA, MA
The political process, by referendum or statute, is thus very nearly tied with the courts in putting this into place.
Conservatives do themselves no favors by refusing to recognize that there has been an amazing shift in the public opinion on this issue.
When you lose a battle, the best thing is to fall back, regroup, figure out why you lost and how to win next time, then go back and fight some more. Refusing to recognize when the battle is lost only results in unnecessary losses with no chance of victory.
Are liberals going to give up on gun control?
Article IV, Section 1: “Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.”
Possession of marijuana is not a “public Act, Record, and judicial Proceeding” of another State.
Marriage is.
Where do you think the people in the entertainment and media learns those values.
If you trace the history where all this progressive values started, it all started in academia, among the intelligentsia, in the late 19th century.
No. The Culture wars have a direct effect on the 1st amendment & fiscal issues. Gays sueing a Christian business demanding they celebrate the gay lifestyle is not something The GOP or Libertarians should embrace.
Wasn’t it 1857 when another media dandy, T. Chuck Fodd of the Fayetteville Democrat Party organ “Greet the Hack Newsman”, asked, “In the wake of the recent Supreme Court’s decision in the Dred Scott case, isn’t it time abolitionists surrender on the social issues?”
Seems as though plenty of folks thought in 1857, after the Supreme Court spoke, the issue was settled. Plenty of folks who were wrong.
The culture wars at the moment need to take a back seat to the massively serious situations going on with Isis and Ebola.
If the GOPe, conservatives, tea partiers and libertarians can’t come together and vote GOP on November 4th in every federal, state and local race, then Lord help us.
This may be the most important national election we’ve had in many, many years coming up in three weeks. A message needs to be sent. We can fight the culture wars after we isolate and neutralize Obama politically.
“Conservatives do themselves no favors by refusing to recognize that there has been an amazing shift in the public opinion on this issue.”
I think conservatives also do themselves no favors when they whistle past the graveyard with statistics about homosexuals being only 2% of the population.
The percentage may be correct but a lot more than 2% support same sex marriage.
Another faulty stat, IMHO, is the percentage of Christians.
I think a lot of people claim to be Christian but it’s lip service only.
To a considerable extent true.
However, the producers of culture have always been neck and neck with the academy in this regard. In fact, the initial leaders in the attack were the avant garde of high culture: music, arts, literature. I think it moved from there into the academy, although there was obviously a lot of overlap. The Impressionists and later the Surrealists were not for the most part in the academy.
The story since has largely been one of the attack moving down market. The avant garde turned out to be exactly what it claimed.
It’s a symbiotic relationship. Media/entertainment work at changing the popular culture, the academy at providing high-minded rationales for the changes.
I think it’s largely a chicken and egg question. It’s not like most creators of popular culture are simply regurgitating what they learned in college. They’re all part of the same anti-American (actually anti-Western Civ) subculture. Although it’s very nearly become the dominant culture at this point.
If the deviancy of homo-marriage is imposed on my state via these black-robed tyrants, there’s no longer an American republic I’d particularly find worth preserving. Might just as well let Isis and Ebola have the whole damned country.
Use the heavy hand of government [unelected black robes] to pass your agenda, then declare victory and call for your opponent to quit.
Abortion, homosexuality...all of these were done by black robed tyrants.
Agree on all points.
Too many cons think all we need is another Reagan to lead us. They refuse to recognize that the American people have changed, a lot, since 1980.
“Too many cons think all we need is another Reagan to lead us. They refuse to recognize that the American people have changed, a lot, since 1980.”
Yep. It’s not just how much the American people have changed so much as how fast it’s changed and it seems to be picking up speed.
I would have never believed 10 years ago that same sex marriage would be big enough an issue to make even a blip on the national radar.
The speed at which public perception & opinion reversed itself has been astonishing.
I was just speaking to an acquaintance recently who was involved in psychological testing.
They subjected an individual to hours of self-esteem building in a group setting. By lunch, he thought that he was the smartest guy in the room. After lunch, they had someone raise three fingers and then everyone in the room answered that four fingers were raised. The subject went last, or course, and over 70% agreed that there were four fingers. Group think, or even the appearance of consensus is a very powerful tool.
Demographics is Destiny.
Agreed.
“Group think, or even the appearance of consensus is a very powerful tool.”
Of course it is.
Isn’t that why we Freep polls.
Quite right.
However, we should recognize that the past unpopularity of homosexuality and the general acceptance of a great many other conservative positions were based, for most people, on the same group think.
IOW, most people always have and always will, tend to go along with what they think is popular, without even realizing it.
The perception of what is popular or cool is the defining issue in society, especially in a democratic society. That perception is largely created by popular culture: TV, movies, music.
Conservatives largely abandoned work in these fields 50 years ago and concentrated on politics.
We are now seeing the fruit of 50 years of largely unopposed liberal propaganda in popular culture.
“Demographics is Destiny.”
I think part of it is demographics. I think part of it is just the steady march of time and each generation tending to be more progressively different than the last.
I mean progressively different in all things not just social issues.
My father never got why men would wear their hair long.
His father thought it was the end of days when men started wearing jeans instead of khakis.
There was a time when the only men who wore earrings also wore eyepatches, had wooden legs, and said things like Avast Matey.
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