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Many thoughts came to mind when stumbling across this quaint historical tidbit and its source "The Spiritual Roots of Homosexuality" which seems to have sprung forth straight out from the FudgePacking Orifice itself.

I had never heard anything remotely reminiscent regarding homosexuality rampant within the Native American tribes spread across this vast great continent of ours. To talk of Native Americans would be to describe a nation of tribes, proud, strong, family-centric, community minded living off the land in harmony with nature, of great warriors, even greater legends, all of which devastated , destroyed, usurped, by the evil, wily European White Man who through guile, trickery, broken promises, expropriated this great land to make it their own while the rightful keepers were systematically uprooted from the very moment they landed in the New World.

Yes, their story is sad, tragic, even unprecedented in the brutal, brutish loss of their land to the White Man, a fate seemingly inexplicable to all including myself.

Most who try to understand the fate of the Red Man are usually at a loss for words and simply throw their hands up and speak of the White Man's ruthlessness as the only rationale for it all.

But this historically obscure revelation has given me great pause to think about their fate as divine retribution in the connection there seemed to be between the Native American nation and its sordid, depraved way of life.

To talk of the spiritual roots of homosexuality is to reveal a a sordid proclivity, perspective antithetical, abominable to the laws of God, nature and humanity itself.

I was taken aback to learn of how homosexual men within the Native American population were highly respected.

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It was actually considered a huge honor to have a Gay lover or "wife," and raised one’s honor in the tribe. In many other ancient cultures, such as the Greek and the Roman, homosexuality was associated with spiritual insight.

Upon reading the special status accorded these homosexuals from across so-called enlightened, spiritually insightful societies it occurred to me in a rather dramatic way how these very same societies were now extinct,resonating only from a point of historical past.

It was at this point I began to be struck by the terrible fate of the Native American, in many ways unprecedented, essentially gone from everyday life, condemned to a life of abject poverty, economic hardship, abject-poverty disease, crime ridden, demographically non-viable and wondered if it all was the Wrath of God that had done them in infinitely more destructive manner, than any White Man Cavalry Brigade might ever do.

1 posted on 08/11/2014 11:52:31 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Tell a lie often enough and it becomes accepted as truth.


2 posted on 08/11/2014 11:57:57 AM PDT by KevinB (Barack Obama: Our first black, gay, Kenyan, Muslim president!)
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To: lbryce

I work with them, I get how it all happened to them, and there’s nothing anywhere attributing ‘high status’ to gay people in any tribal lore.

They are STILL their own worst enemy.

I asked them once why there is ZERO direct foreign investment in Indian nations. Companies feel more contractually stable investing in China and Russia, than in the Sioux nation. Why?

Sovereign immunity - it’s like a monkey trap for them, but I get it.

Then I asked, ‘How come there’s no Indian Nations bank?’ ‘At this point, why aren’t the tribes funding their own economic development if they aren’t willing to do what it takes to attract ‘white’ cash?’

The answer:

“Because no tribe trusts the other. We can’t trust each other enough to make it happen.”

And there you go. They can’t even write a contract so that they are satisfied they’ll get a fair hearing in their own jurisdictions.


3 posted on 08/11/2014 12:03:53 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs ((What is the R0 of Ebola Guinea?))
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To: lbryce

I’m not buying it. Show me some old references to homosexuality in Native American tribes. Gays have been trying to rewrite history and make everyone gay.


5 posted on 08/11/2014 12:06:36 PM PDT by DannyTN (I)
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6 posted on 08/11/2014 12:07:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: lbryce

When me get that feeling, me need sexual healing.

7 posted on 08/11/2014 12:17:52 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: lbryce
Their fall was hardly inexplicable. There was no unity among them to resist the European advance across the continent. Tribes aligned themselves as, if not more, readily with the white man against their traditional enemy tribes than together. And even if they had been capable over coming tribal differences in language and long histories of warfare among themselves the European diseases the explorers, trappers, and settlers brought and the stone age versus 19th century technology question altogether spelled their doom.

As far as the question of how homosexuals were viewed in some of their cultures, so what? Same goes for the ancient Greeks of any other long defunct culture. Are we supposed to ape Sparta or take illiterate Afghans and their "cultural" customs of buggering little boys and mutilating their girls as a behavioral example? For the vast majority of people in our culture repulsion and disgust are the reaction by those practices (and to what goes on in Obama's and Rahm's Chicago bath house hideaway). They need to just STFU and stop expecting acceptance.

8 posted on 08/11/2014 12:26:07 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: lbryce

High Status Accorded Homosexuals In Native American Tribes

BULLSH!T


9 posted on 08/11/2014 12:26:09 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: lbryce

Yet ANOTHER reason why we needed to drive the Native American into small reservations.


12 posted on 08/11/2014 12:32:22 PM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: lbryce
Looks like a picture of North Western Tribal members....

Pretty huste article..Hard to teach with patience..on this subject.

14 posted on 08/11/2014 12:38:17 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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The depraved perverts of our society are so desperate to be seen as “normal” that they are attempting to find some culture, any culture, where it was not seen as shameful. Thus they dig through the vast history of cultures in a vain attempt to point to one and say “See, we are normal.”


19 posted on 08/11/2014 12:49:39 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: lbryce

OK, so the Washington Gay Warriors would be an honoring name. Cool.


20 posted on 08/11/2014 12:53:34 PM PDT by polymuser ( Enough is enough.)
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To: lbryce

This is nonsense.

Primitive? Yes. Yet the writer is more so.


22 posted on 08/11/2014 1:00:10 PM PDT by onedoug
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hogwash. Since when did ‘plains indians’ speak Arabic or Persian?

Bardaj (arabic) means ‘slave’ and Bardan (persian) means ‘prisoner’.

Indians had a habit of capturing and enslaving other tribes, both men and women. Some captured male slaves were dressed as, and treated as women - the ultimate humiliation for a warrior. Robbed of the identity of being a ‘man’, they were slaves for the women - never to be equal to the braves of the tribe - and far beneath women in social stature. So just above dog status for the most part. Sex with a slave is generally dominance-driven with little regard for the slaves pleasure. A few may have risen within the ranks of the tribe’s women to a social position, but even the article agrees none attained the status of ‘man’ again, even in death.


23 posted on 08/11/2014 1:03:11 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: lbryce

This is the utter tripe that will be taught to your children as American History in a government school near you in the near future. The homosexual agenda is dependent on recruits.


26 posted on 08/11/2014 1:15:41 PM PDT by txrefugee
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I can’t remember if it was Desalle or another early explorer but I do remember an account of a native man who dressed and acted as a woman. He was allowed to live as such but no mention was made of any special status or mystical power.


28 posted on 08/11/2014 2:00:52 PM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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Those are the "two-spirits" or berdaches. Some men in Indian tribes did women's work and lived in a sense as women, and some were seen as shamans, magicians or visionaries. That much is true.

Just how true the rest of it is, I don't know. There were a lot of different tribes. Generalizing, especially about things people didn't talk about and certainly didn't think about in the same way 21st century Westerners do, isn't likely to get us very far.

33 posted on 08/11/2014 2:41:51 PM PDT by x
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To: lbryce
I guess Little Bear from the movie, Little Big Man was historically accurate.
36 posted on 08/11/2014 2:54:38 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: lbryce

Sounds like a Ward Churchill kind of fact.


37 posted on 08/11/2014 3:15:29 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: lbryce

Thanks for breaking my BS meter.


38 posted on 08/11/2014 3:18:25 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: lbryce

And here I thought they were called squaws and reviled. . . .


40 posted on 08/12/2014 3:50:59 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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