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Golden Rice: GMO "Super Gruel" for the Masses
Land Destroyer ^ | 7-16-2014

Posted on 07/19/2014 6:58:29 AM PDT by Renfield

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To: Renfield

The GMO-seed sector of Big-AG is really in the fertilzer, herbicide & pesticde business, and the GMO-seed is merely the means for increasing and monopolizing those businesses, and the tradeoff is massively decreasing varieties of the seed-base of the world’s biggest crops.

The Irish potatoe famine did not happen just because most of Europe experienced a large and broadly spread potatoe blight at the time. The Irish potatoe famine happened because under control of the British colonial system in Ireland, Ireland had become a vast potatoe field for Britain, with more acreage in potatoes than anything else AND under that system they were growing mostly ONE variety-strain of potatoe. Europe was hit with the same potatoe blight, but with diversity of potatoes that Europe outside of Ireland was growing, Europe did not have the famine that Ireland did.

The tyranny of the experts comes from their convincing everyone that with their technology and expert opinion, they can prevent all our problems from happening again, and as they do they always and arrogantly ignore the conjoining throughout history of the certainty of unforseen circumstances and “murphy’s law”.

GMO - “the ‘perfect seed/crop’ “ IS about decreasing and monopolizing food crop-seed varieties and the so-called “humanitarian” benefits of GMO are a smokescreen, which will in time, via nature, prodoce food crop calamities never seen before.

Yes, Conservatives, we believe in “free enterprise”, however only fools believe that the adage “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely” applies ONLY to the political sphere, and no where else, and the great moral philosopher who championed capitalism, Adam Smith, was no lover of monopolies.


61 posted on 07/19/2014 11:18:41 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Renfield
Patrick Moore, co-founder and former President of Greenpeace, on Golden Rice:

Bears repeating: The blood of that is on the hands of the people who have made it impossible to make an exception for golden rice.

It is abhorrent that any FReeper would side with Greenpeace on anything, much less Golden Rice. Whose side are you on, anyway? Do you also consider Rachel Carson a hero?

Allowing millions of children to die from something that is absolutely preventable, whether it's vitamin A deficiency or malaria, is the apex of evil. Why anyone would stand with these sorry assed excuses for humanity is mind-boggling.

62 posted on 07/19/2014 11:19:08 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Black Agnes
Thank you for saying what I was thinking.

Gates is a sick $%^$# too.

63 posted on 07/19/2014 11:20:49 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: sphinx

“The big seed tech companies don’t control anything except their own patents”

Unless they allow their “patents” to blow into the neighbors field. Then they sue the neighbor for patent infringement and win large settlements.

They also push laws through that require govt approval for all seeds purchased. Of course the only people who can afford to comply with the process to gain govt approval are the big multinationals.

Then they push laws to require permits for backyard gardens. Requiring inspections, permits, and registration of gardens, the backyard kind.

Then they push regulation of the farmers market. Preventing farmers from selling their produce at roadside markets.

All for safety of course.


64 posted on 07/19/2014 11:46:10 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: sphinx


“All” is an overstatement. There has been consolidation in this as in most other industries. But there are still many small independent seed companies, and farmers have choices. And if someone wants to sell heirloom seeds, the door is wide open. Those aren’t on patent.”

It has not reached 100%.

Still, distribution has been elk mated and channeled toward their expensive seeds.


65 posted on 07/19/2014 11:48:01 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Mamzelle

The “rights” of Monsato and similar organizations are whatever the govt says they are. Ironically the laws and regulations pushed through all benefit these big multi-ational corporations. Corporations which are not run for the benefit of America or Americans.

Its called crony capitalism and eliminates local control at the city, county, and state levels of our Republic.

Sheesh, this is free Republic, Why does that require explanation?


66 posted on 07/19/2014 11:48:59 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: sphinx; aMorePerfectUnion

” But there are still many small independent seed companies, and farmers have choices. “

For now, once the laws which require registration and govt approval of all seeds get fully implemented the small companies will be not be economically viable.


67 posted on 07/19/2014 11:51:21 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Yep. In big corn producing areas, for example, seed from up to 30 different companies are readily available.


68 posted on 07/19/2014 11:56:01 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: driftdiver
Unless they allow their “patents” to blow into the neighbors field. Then they sue the neighbor for patent infringement and win large settlements.

Uh, that's not how it works. You got an example of where that happened?

69 posted on 07/19/2014 12:10:38 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

There have been numerous suits already settled and farmers put out of business. Your ignorance is not my problem, go look it up yourself. There have been many threads on FR.

It is how it works.


70 posted on 07/19/2014 12:11:54 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Its called crony capitalism and eliminates local control at the city, county, and state levels of our Republic.

Do you have a specific example of Monsanto eliminating local control? Are you saying that local, county, and state governments should control private enterprise? What do your comments even mean?

71 posted on 07/19/2014 12:13:08 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

What does it do when teh federal govt requires farmers markets to be registered and obtain a license?

hmmmm?

It gives the federal govt control. They get to say who can and who cannot have a farmers market, or sell their produce. If you can’t figure that out then you are in the wrong place.


72 posted on 07/19/2014 12:18:08 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Mamzelle
I'm so sick and tired of GMO KOOKS.

I'm not a KOOK - rather a convert to non-GMO foods. And I was able to prove this scientifically.

For me, personally, I can eat pretty much anything - and there is very little effect on my blood sugars. I am not diabetic. Mr. Peel, is NOT overweight and is VERY diabetic. (He's been needing up to 5 injections of insulin a day). The moment we dropped the synthetic food stuffs - the High Fructose Corn syrup, the spenda, the GMO-soy, the canola oil, etc, etc, his blood sugar numbers corrected themselves and he drifted toward normal.

You can give me a piece of Pepperidge Farm Rye bread, and my blood sugars numbers will moderately rise (as to be expected). I will start about 101 - go to 120, then an hour later, I'm back to 105 or so. Mr. Peel would start about 138 jump to 198-205, and stay that way for at least four hours later. The added junk in processed foods causes his body to panic - its as if he is having an allergic reaction.

What started us on this tact was a massive stroke he had 8 years ago. We never knew he was diabetic; it was undiagnosed diabetes that caused the stroke, and it is the junk in the foods that affects him terribly.

73 posted on 07/19/2014 12:22:23 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

Your reaction to bread does not have anything to do with GMOs. No wheat flour is from GMO wheat, at least not any in the US. As far as I know, there is no such thing as GMO wheat.


74 posted on 07/19/2014 12:28:51 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: driftdiver

So a scientist has no claim on what his research produces? If a pharmaceutical company invests hundreds of millions for an effective cure, they cannot retain rights to that medicine, ever?


75 posted on 07/19/2014 12:30:14 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Well, I'm watching my mail box fill up every spring and summer from all kinds of seed companies producing a dizzying number of options every year.

You're thinking of one case in Canada where a farmer took advantage of a patented seed, and managed to turn it into a "cause celebrate" for the kook crowd. He lost the case. The courts found that he owed the patent holder royalties.

76 posted on 07/19/2014 12:32:28 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Take a look at the artificial additives (B group of vitamins) that have been mandated by Congress and must appear in bread, next time you see a label. My point was, my body can handle that stuff. Mr Peel’s cannot handle syntethic additives (the vitamins, the sugar, etc). His diet needs to be as pure as possible. He can have grain, he can have sugar — providing they are pure. Genetically modified foods (grains, legumes, etc) are not pure and affect him terribly.


77 posted on 07/19/2014 12:35:37 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: driftdiver
If there are no protections for the production of intellectual property, whether it is a movie or novel or medicine or software or an engine design or a hybridized seed, there will not be investment in innovation.

Patents aren't forever. For medicines, they are barely seven years.

Most unique new seed varieties are not GMOs. That's another difficulty in arguing with the anti-GMO crowd; they won't understand that hybrids and GMOs are very different things.

78 posted on 07/19/2014 12:37:48 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
If you cook, it is so very easy to avoid GMOs.

No wheat, therefore, no flour, is GMO. Don't buy any corn meal, although most is not GMO. Don't buy anything with soy oil, although not every soy product is GMO. I use canola oil, but it is easy to avoid. Some sugar beet sugars are GMO.

However, non-GMO products still have gluten, still can be processed carbohydrate, can have treated fats (hydrogenation)--things I avoid.

The bread you describe is likely *not* GMO. It may have too many additives to add to its shelf life and texture, but that has nothing to do with being genetically modified.

79 posted on 07/19/2014 12:42:48 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Well said.

Even GMOs have stark differences. Given the variety of natural items that go into a human diet, we’re crunching up all manner of DNA. Transgenic from plant to plant hardly seems like gambling.


80 posted on 07/19/2014 12:44:29 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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