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Obama birth record, citizenship, unraveled for Alabama Supreme Court?
Coach is Right ^ | 3/16/14 | George Spelvin

Posted on 03/16/2014 8:21:40 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax

Barack Hussein Obama’s birth riddle is being analyzed in a 13 page, Amicus Curiae brief filed with the Alabama Supreme Court by Harvard Attorney Albert W.L. Moore Jr. The brief promises to offer a straightforward theory as to just who this man in our White House really and truly is. (1)

Moore summarizes what is going on: “He (BHO) was a natural born American on the date of his birth, but further official records prove that he lost American citizenship and constitutional eligibility to the Presidency as definitively confirmed by his 1983 naturalization as an American citizen. By law, this process of naturalization did NOT restore his constitutional eligibility.”

Filed on 13 May, 2013, Attorney Moore (pg. 10) is asking that the AL Supreme Court remand the Obama eligibility conundrum back to the trial court to seek discovery concerning the following: a. subpoenaing his (BHO) DNA; b. all of his Hawai’ian “vital records consisting of an original birth certificate showing his ACTUAL (CiR emphasis) birth parents and his amended birth certificate showing his adoptive parents.” The Moore Amicus further contends that Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama Sr, a Luo tribesman...

(Excerpt) Read more at coachisright.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: albertmoorejr; barrysoetoro; birthcertificate; birthers; chiyomefukino; comradeobama; dunham; naturalborncitizen; obama; sadunham
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To: MMaschin

yea jamese’s evil twin IMHO


201 posted on 03/18/2014 7:43:31 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Nero Germanicus

which employer, city college or the WH?


202 posted on 03/18/2014 7:44:42 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

Neither.


203 posted on 03/18/2014 8:19:06 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Nero Germanicus
You cannot force someone to become a plaintiff

The only scenario that would have ever worked is if one (1) State Attorney General, or Governor, or responsible election authority under a state constitution had thought enough of the difficulties Obama presented, and in an effort to clarify the ambiguities, had tossed him from the state ballot.

That, BTW, happens in many a state election, as the authorities do their jobs and check the eligibility of candidates for every elected office in a state and respond to complaints. E.G., Rahm Emmnauel had to go to court as a Plaintiff to be re-placed on the ballot after a residency challenge to his eligibility to run for mayor.

In these cases, the election authorities become the defendant and the removed party, the Plaintiff. He has been "damaged" by removal from the ballot.

In the case of all those lawsuits fought, quashed, or totally ignored by Team Obam, The Courts, as time went on, were completely justified in claiming res judicata and thus merely dismissing the case.

That is where we are today. The courts, as they do, feed off one another. The SCOTUS seems determined to sit this issue out, hoping it will go away when Obama leaves office.

However, there is a larger issue the SCOTUS is leaving on the table, and that is "who or what is a citizen?" Instead of taking up a case, the SCOTUS seems content to let this question be answered bureaucratically. I don't think that is right for the offspring of two illegal aliens, or indeed legal aliens, to become an automatic citizen of the US. I can easily accept dual citizenship, after both parents are naturalized, but I do not think (or feel) that this is a Natural Born Citizen.

In the case on one US citizen parent, and the child born overseas ... speak, SCOTUS!

204 posted on 03/19/2014 7:54:32 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is very sick . Hold all contributions until we see who picks up the patient..)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Moore just may be right and old man stanley the dad. Stanley ann took the kid off the old folks hands until they could take care of him. This would also work for S ann goin to U Washington August 19,1961 because barry is actually older and maybe did not have to register for the draft but forged docs to go with his reported birth date! Maybe Sheriff joes crew is on to this.


205 posted on 03/19/2014 9:00:28 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453
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To: Kenny Bunk

There is a difference between candidates for state offices and candidates for national office.
Most of the states’ election laws state unequivocably that if a candidate is the nominee of a national political party, that candidate automatically qualifies for the state ballot. There is no state level discretion over a federal office candidate. Every state’s legislature had four years to amend their law between 2008 and 2012. None did.

For example, the Alabama Supreme Court has before it a challenge to Obama’s 2012 ballot eligibility (Mc Innish & Goode v. Secretary of State Beth Chapman). The Alabama Code of Laws states: “The Secretary of State shall certify the names of all candidates for president and vice president who are nominated by any national party convention.”—
Alabama Code §17-14-31(a)

The Alabama law doesn’t say that the Secretary of State “can” certify or “might” certify; it says “SHALL” certify. Its the same in most states. In two red states (Arizona and Kansas), won by Romney, the Secretaries of State did take the additional step of getting verification of Obama’s birth in Hawaii from the state of Hawaii. Both Arizona’s and Kansas’ Chief Elections Officials then approved Obama for the ballot.

Congress has the power to disqualify an ineligible president-elect under the “failed to qualify” provision of the 20th Amendment.”
It only takes two members of Congress (one Senator and one Representative) out of 535 members to challenge the Electors of a president-elect and stop the certification of that president-elect’s Electors until the challenge is resolved in both Houses of Congress. If enough states had challenged Obama’s electors on the basis that they had voted for an ineligible candidate and Obama went to below 270 electoral votes, he could not have become president.

From the 20th Amendment: “If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have FAILED TO QUALIFY, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”—20th Amendment, Section 3


206 posted on 03/19/2014 12:00:47 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Team Obama has not presented any bona fides. They’ve made verbal assertions of “citizenship” and “eligible”, and staged PR stunts. That’s it.


207 posted on 03/20/2014 10:07:30 PM PDT by Ray76 (Profit from the mistakes of others, you'll never live long enough to make them all yourself.)
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To: Ray76
More than verbal assertions were made by Obama. While the certificates of nomination presented to the states were signed by others, remember there were primary races before the nomination. I have seen the one Obama filled out to run in the Arizona primary, and it was signed by Obama and attested to the fact that Obama was a NBC of the US.

If it can be proven that he is not a NBC, then Obama personally perjured himself in the state of Arizona.
208 posted on 03/21/2014 7:06:26 AM PDT by MMaschin
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To: Oldpuppymax

The Alabama Supreme Court has affirmed the lower court’s opinion. https://acis.alabama.gov/displaydocs.cfm?no=565288&event=40Y0LG67K


209 posted on 03/21/2014 8:35:41 AM PDT by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: All
The Supreme Court of Alabama has affirmed, per curiam, the dismissal of the Complaint alleging a duty of the Secretary of State to investigate an applicant's eligibility. Concurrences filed by Justices Bolin and Bryan. Dissents filed by Chief Justice Moore and Justice Parker.

Opinions

210 posted on 03/21/2014 8:40:10 AM PDT by CpnHook
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To: CpnHook

Make that “candidate,” not “applicant.”


211 posted on 03/21/2014 8:44:53 AM PDT by CpnHook
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To: Ray76

Obama’s attorneys did submit copies of his long form birth certificate for judges in Georgia’s and Mississippi’s eligibility challenges.
You can view the Mississippi exhibits at the following link:
http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/96289285
Obama’s attorneys also submitted a Certified Letter of Verification from the Hawaii Registrar for Obama’s birth certificate in Mississippi’s lawsuit. The exhibits are on pages 11 & 12 at the link listed above.
In this Alabama Supreme Court appeal, the Alabama Democratic Party also had a copy of the long form birth certificate and the Mississippi Letter of Verification as exhibits in the Amicus Brief that they filed with the Court.


212 posted on 03/21/2014 9:36:44 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: All

Two years ago an Arizona court ruled that Obama qualifies as a natural born citizen. After that ruling, there can be no charge of perjury in that state. There have been eighteen other court rulings which explicitedly state that Obama is a natural born citizen and there has never been a ruling in any state or federal court that he isn’t a natural born citizen.

Allen v Obama, Arizona Superior Court Judge Richard E. Gordon: “Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”—Pima County Superior Court, Tuscon, Arizona, March 7, 2012
http://www.scribd.com/doc/84531299/AZ-2012-03-07-Allen-v-Obama-C20121317-ORDER-Dismissing-Complaint


213 posted on 03/21/2014 9:50:10 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: InterceptPoint
The Alabama Supreme Court issued its decision in this case today; new thread here.
214 posted on 03/21/2014 10:57:08 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Nero Germanicus
I'm talking about election officials, not an amicus brief submitted to a court but not accepted. Election officials where defrauded.

The verification letter is a fraud and has long been discredited.

This is the fraud:

Do you have the facts? Has information been concealed?

This is precisely what Onaka did.

215 posted on 03/21/2014 11:33:30 AM PDT by Ray76 (Profit from the mistakes of others, you'll never live long enough to make them all yourself.)
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To: Ray76

The Georgia and Mississippi Certificates of Live Birth were not submitted in amicus briefs. They were submitted by the defense as defense exhibits.
There has been no adjudication in any jurisdiction that the Certified Letters of Verification from the Hawaii Registrar were fraudulent.
Two Republican Secretaries of State accepted them, used them to approve Obama for their states’ ballots and both Secretaries of State went on the record stating that their questions had been answered satisfactorily.
If I, as the recipient, ask you to verify certain data and I accept your verification of that data, where is the crime or the injury? Has anyone filed suit or criminal charges in Arizona or Kansas subsequent to the receipt of the Hawaii Certified Letters of Verification? The answer is “no.”
If a document is alleged to be fraudulent, you PROSECUTE the alleged perpetrator of the fraud after a grand jury investigation. That has never happened. An allegation is not a conviction.


216 posted on 03/21/2014 11:51:52 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Nero Germanicus
Bennett wanted out and needed a fig leaf. He pronounced Obama eligible based on an email which he hadn't even read.
Secretary of State Ken Bennett said Tuesday evening that he has received an e-mail from officials in Hawaii, which he believes contains the information he sought to verify President Barack Obama's birth certificate.

"By requesting the verification I can now report to thousands of constituents that we did what can be done and he is qualified to be on the ballot," Bennett said.

Bennett said he had not actually opened the email as of 7 p.m. Tuesday, but was confident it contained the information he asked for.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/politics/Latest-on-bennett-152793135.html

As for Kobach... he couldn't wait to close it down. He seized upon the complaints withdrawal to end hearing. The fact that the complaint was withdrawn under duress - claims of being threatened - was completely ignored. Those claims where later withdrawn... gee imagine that.

These two disgrace themselves and their office.

217 posted on 03/21/2014 12:07:02 PM PDT by Ray76 (Profit from the mistakes of others, you'll never live long enough to make them all yourself.)
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To: Ray76

None of the backstory changes the facts.

Also there is no state or federal law which requires a presidential candidate to submit a birth certificate in order to qualify as eligible.
The way to challenge an allegedly ineligible candidate for president in every state plus under federal law is via eligibility challenge lawsuits such as this one: Mc Innish & Goode v. Chapman, in Alabama.
In the 2012 election cycle, there were 50 challenges to Obama’s eligibility adjudicated in 22 states plus the District of Columbia.


218 posted on 03/21/2014 12:15:51 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Nero Germanicus

“These two disgrace themselves and their office.”

Bennett and Kobach are the only two Secretaries of State or state Chief Election Officials who listened to their constituents and even bothered to check Obama’s credentials.


219 posted on 03/21/2014 12:18:38 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Nero Germanicus

I don’t think the law requires it but the SOS can ask for it.

I think cal asked Eldridge cleaver for his and he was left off the ballot because he was too young.

The cal SOS knew of the allegations against the hero of Benghazi and she did nothing.

No one wants to hold a hot potato.


220 posted on 03/21/2014 12:18:58 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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