Posted on 03/02/2014 3:59:10 PM PST by Errant
As the book of the Revelation comes to a close, we are left with some very important words. Keep his commandments, know his Torah, and make yourself ready to be the bride of the King. He is coming quickly. Join Michael Rood for the final episode in the series From Here to Eternity – Yeshua’s Famous Last Words: Amen, Emet, Truth.
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James 1:
[1] James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
1Peter 1:
[1] Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
The epistles are written solely to Israelites.
Romans was written to the 'wild' Israelites in Rome.
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Keep on reading the next post after yours.
Who inspires your vile name calling? Goose... Gander...
I will assume you see Gordon, as he studies the NT, will come to confess Yeshua as Messiah and Lord. If not then how can Gordon be an authority on the Words of Yeshua?:
Jeremiah 5:
20 “Declare this in the house of Jacob And proclaim it in Judah, saying, 21 ‘Hear this now, O foolish people, Without understanding, Who have eyes and see not, And who have ears and hear not:
Mark 8:
18 Having eyes, do you not see? And having ears, do you not hear? And do you not remember?
Matthew 13:
11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: ‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive; 15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.’ 16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
So salvation was offered to the Israel to make Israel jealous?
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
The Gentile “branches” were taken from a wild olive tree and not from Israelite people.
Who said He changed? Not I. I said He deals with man differently in each dispensation. Did God deal differently with Adam and Eve after they sinned than He did before they sinned?
Much scripture is impossible to explain without dispensational discernment...That's why these guys like to stick with the Gospels, parts of Acts, James, Hebrews, etc. and avoid like the plague the Pauline epistles...They can not reconcile all those scriptures without assigning them to metaphors and metaphors of what, they'll never know...
Of course they are distinct and different. It takes a complete distortion of scripture to say otherwise.
Paul wrote to me...I've never spoken Hebrew...
You have to ignore scripture to come to that conclusion...You must be a Hebrew Catholic Roots kind of religionist...
Yes he was...But after Israel was set aside, Jesus sent Paul to the Gentiles...
That “nest post” changes nothing. The twelve were first sent to the lost tribes of Israel. Paul was first sent to the Gentiles.
Romans 9-11 makes a clear distinction between the House of Israel and the Gentiles.
Romans 9:
I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Going to verse 22:
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He says also in Hosea:
“I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved.” 26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved. 28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
29 And as Isaiah said before:
“Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”
30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
Quite clear Israel does not equal Gentiles in this passage. Chapters 10 and 11 confirm this. Then of course the lines are quite clear in this statement on the matter of Gentiles. Here Paul is not speaking of the Diaspora Jews, but Greeks:
Romans 1:
13 Now I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that I often planned to come to you (but was hindered until now), that I might have some fruit among you also, just as among the other Gentiles. 14 I am a debtor both to Greeks and to barbarians, both to wise and to unwise. 15 So, as much as is in me, I am ready to preach the gospel to you who are in Rome also.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
Mayhaps, Greeks are also of the House of Israel as well?
I think Romans chapter 2-3 (really 1-8) fully addresses justification.
Well, yes, I did see that. But you didn't have to post it, did you?
Why I keep bothering to read your posts in particular, I don't know. I'm having a more productive conversation with others of your persuasion, who are able to make their point without behaving like a child. You needn't waste your time with me further.
One only has to look at Acts to see the 12 ministered to Jews and in some cases and later to Gentiles. Where Paul, Barnabas, Apollo and others minister to mainly Gentile communities. Yes they went to the lost sheep first and when some came aboard and some rejected moved out to the Gentiles. And again we see below a clear distinction between Jews, Gentiles and even further in this case Corinthians:
Acts 18:
5 When Silas and Timothy had come from Macedonia, Paul was compelled by the Spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus is the Christ. 6 But when they opposed him and blasphemed, he shook his garments and said to them, “Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.” 7 And he departed from there and entered the house of a certain man named Justus, one who worshiped God, whose house was next door to the synagogue. 8 Then Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his household. And many of the Corinthians, hearing, believed and were baptized.
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And, in any case, we also know that Paul employed an amanuensis, as was customary. We even know the name of one: Tertius (Rom. 16:22). Whether Paul wrote entire letters with his own hand is nothing but a distraction from the real issue:
But STILL no evidence of Paul writing in the letters in Greek. Though I agree with you that this is a distraction from the real issue.
If the New Testament was written in Hebrew originally, why are there thousands of Greek copies, but zero ancient Hebrew copies?
In assuming you are using the term "New Testament" to mean any of the original texts, I offer that the same forces who were behind the crucifixion were likely engaged in destroying any and all written records of those events. That same effort may even continue to this very day.
The books of Luke—his Gospel and Acts—are addressed to a "Theophilus." That is a Greek name. I wonder what language a man with a Greek name might have spoken.
That's pretty flimsy evidence you present there my FRiend. Allow me to present the following:
Evidence Supporting Original Hebrew-Aramaic New Testament (by James S. Trimm )
See, this is why it's so difficult to take your arguments seriously.
Why not include my full statement, that we may see the context?
Sure, anything is possible I suppose but common sense tells us they would have first written down their accounts in their native tongue; one they were intimately familiar with. More so since these accounts happened in a land were Hebrew was the primary language.
I contend your statement: " See, this is why it's so difficult to take your arguments seriously.", is merely an attempt to deflect that which you can make no reasonable argument against due to an abundance of logic backing it.
Inconsistency is the sign of a failed argument.
Scholars have been arguing this issue for centuries. Do you really expect either of us will win this one? lol
I did read the post and responded. Please read Acts 15:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+15&version=NKJV
Why not? I mean seriously, let's see your argument why an unbiased Karaite Jew wouldn't actually be the best choice for researching if the first texts of the New Testament were Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek.
Many thanks,
:)
I will have to research which tribe of Israel Cornelius comes under. Since he is the subject of future "Gentile" conversation with the apostles.
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