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1 posted on 01/20/2014 1:42:16 PM PST by mhutcheson
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Oh, shut up.


2 posted on 01/20/2014 1:43:11 PM PST by Deb (If you wanna laugh everyday, follow Deepak Chopra on Twitter)
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What a better world this would be if the South succession had been a achieved permanently.


3 posted on 01/20/2014 1:44:45 PM PST by anton
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later


4 posted on 01/20/2014 1:44:50 PM PST by berdie
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And the Union was saved.


5 posted on 01/20/2014 1:45:30 PM PST by SkyDancer (Imagine a world without politicians, lawyers and federal judges.)
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Oooh, your going to raise the ire of those “it is all about slavery” robots. Get on your flame suit.


6 posted on 01/20/2014 1:46:15 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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"...and that the “evil” Southern states seceded from the Union to protect slavery. This is the Yankee myth of history, written and promulgated by Northerners, and it is a complete falsity."

There are seldom complete falsities, or complete truths, in history. In the name of intellectual honestly, southerners might as well admit that slavery was in fact, an important factor. Northerners should admit that it was far from the only factor, and that Lincoln broke the law on multiple occasions.

7 posted on 01/20/2014 1:47:17 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Lincoln did what he had to do.


8 posted on 01/20/2014 1:47:57 PM PST by Kansas58
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You could have saved yourself a lot of typing if you just wrote the Mississippi secessionists' reason for trying to leave the union:

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."

9 posted on 01/20/2014 1:49:44 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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” The South was engaged in a War of Independence from a tyrannical North, and after having legally seceded, wished only “to be let alone.” The North was engaged in a war of empire, to keep the South involuntarily under its yoke”

The war continues today with libs playing the north and conservatives the south.


10 posted on 01/20/2014 1:49:52 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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I am sympathetic to states' rights and I am not sympathetic to Lincoln.

For decades before the war, the South, through harsh tariffs, had been supplying about 85% of the country’s revenue

This came up on FR just the other day. I did some quick research and it appears to be a common bone of contention. Some folks say it's true. Some folks say it's not true. Perhaps I need better research skills, but I was not able to come up with any specific taxes or tariffs, and the years they were passed, which support the claim that the South was victimized in this way, or that the any huge percentage of federal revenue was coming from the cotton.

If anyone can give me cold, hard, specific facts which support the claim, I would be much obliged.

12 posted on 01/20/2014 1:52:02 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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“he had imprisoned nearly all those who dared to simply speak out against his unconstitutional usurpations of power.”

Coming to a White House near us?


13 posted on 01/20/2014 1:53:00 PM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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Didn’t Obummer say that Lincoln was his favorite?


15 posted on 01/20/2014 1:54:42 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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Add to you list...
14. Picked his nose...
15. Scratched his nuts in public...

Gee... this crap gets old.....

It’s not like history will be reversed...


17 posted on 01/20/2014 1:55:08 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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this would be equivalent to President G.W. Bush arresting and imprisoning roughly 150,000-200,000 Americans without trial for “disagreeing” with the Iraq war; can you imagine?)

Imagine? No. But hoped for? Yes.

;)

19 posted on 01/20/2014 1:55:40 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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Well done. The war was about money and political machinations as are most wars. It was certainly not about slavery.

If Lincoln had lived all the blacks today would be sitting over in Africa or on the Res out in the black hills. He planned to remove them from mainstream society.


22 posted on 01/20/2014 1:57:03 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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"Only after the Union had suffered two years of crushing defeats in battle..."

Hold the phone. Does the author know anything about the actual war?

"The Virginia front was by far the more prestigious theater. ... Yet the war's outcome was decided not there but in the vast expanse that stretched west from the Appalachian Mountains to the Mississippi and beyond. Here, in the West, the truly decisive battles were fought."-- Stephen Woodward.

The union won nearly every battle in the western theatre.

26 posted on 01/20/2014 2:02:45 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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As I recall, Confederate General Longstreet once ‘the South left the Union because of our differences, the only difference I ever heard of was slavery’.

So argue away that the Civil War was not about slavery, I believe that many confederate soldiers actually believed that. Ultimately the war WAS about differences that hinged on slavery. Consequently, the Civil War really was about slavery.

If it had not been for Slavery, the South would have never left the Union in the first place.


28 posted on 01/20/2014 2:03:05 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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I agree with this, bravo!


30 posted on 01/20/2014 2:03:22 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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The fact that The South was pro-slavery overshadows and overwrites everything else. People who whine about the South being treated unfairly, having a right to secede, blah-blah-blah are the same as people who cry crocodile tears over the burning of Dresden or the Hiroshima nuking or Osama Bin Laden being killed without a proper trial. When your country/organization is responsible for the Holocaust, or the Rape of Nanking, or 9/11, or slavery, you are always wrong in every conflict with a nation that rejects such savagery.

The South was pro-slave, the North was anti-slave, it doesn’t matter if Lincoln aggregated power, or fired the first shot, or burned Southern cities, or used slavery as a pretext for putting down a legitimate rebellion. The slave factor overrides everything else, just like the Holocaust factor completely justifies the Dresden bombing and Japanese inhumanity to captured civilians and soldiers justifies Hiroshima.

Here is what the South SHOULD have done, to win the war or atleast to save its reputation in defeat: All they had to do was to free the slaves. The great justification for the war would be gone, and even if defeated, the Confederate cause would not be forever stained with slavery. What they did do was the exact opposite, they cemented slavery in their founding documents and thus doomed their cause not only to certain defeat, but to infamy.


31 posted on 01/20/2014 2:03:44 PM PST by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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The facts support your article. I’ve long argued that it was not a “civil war”, which is defined as a war between citizens of the same country, but rather a “war of Northern aggression.” Nothing in the Constitution forbids states from seceding. Your article is great because it’s based on facts and not the fabrications of the victors. Lincoln should have listened to that member of his cabinet that suggested he let the South go in peace. Great article.


32 posted on 01/20/2014 2:03:49 PM PST by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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