Posted on 04/07/2013 2:47:34 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
The point that I have made, multiple times, is that the FACTS say the birth-issue has hurt Obama. This goes entirely against your *opinion* that it has helped him. I have asked again & again for you to give FACTS, as opposed to opinion, illustrating how this issue has helped him. You have run away from answering this simple, straightforward question several times. Perhaps this time you will address it directly.
However, you are entitled to believe that. ;-)
They don’t have to testify. What part of that did you not understand?? We were talking about the “public record.” Obama sure isn’t willing to testify and I can guarantee that none of the HI DOH people are willing to testify either.
Motive, intent - you know, it's often been argued that no one can prove the motives or intentions of someone else. However, there are folks busy doing that every day in courthouses across America. They believe, as it's been said, that "a person's state of mind is as much a question of fact as the state of his digestion."
It is a fact that I understand your opinion to be that birtherism has been damaging to Obama politically. It is a fact that my opinion differs.
It's really that simple. But, if you wish, go ahead and confuse yourself.
That's not what the rules of evidence say. Newspapers are considered self-authenticating.
The following items of evidence are self-authenticating; they require no extrinsic evidence of authenticity in order to be admitted:
(6) Newspapers and Periodicals. Printed material purporting to be a newspaper or periodical.
No wonder you're blundering so badly on understanding hearsay rules.
As I've said before, even if you could somehow prove that Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii, that would not prove that he was born in a foreign country.
Now you take all the facts & evidence I presented in multiple earlier posts and magically transform them all into ‘opinion’. You have no facts of your own, so you wave your magic wand & make the real world w all its pesky facts—that flat out contradict your *opinion*—go away. Wow. Quite a trick; it’s a pity [from your POV] that it doesn’t really work.
I’m sorry, TF, but you are either not too bright or extraordinarily dishonest. No third option.
Well, i hope that you now understand that convincing a court that a newspaper is indeed a newspaper (authentication) does not permit you to use the content of a newspaper as evidence that the content is true without getting past the hearsay objection.
What do you think the percentages would have been without the birther issue? ;-)
First, kindly & directly address the FACTS I have already provided. I took the time to type up the posts & address them to you. The least you can do, before changing the subject Yet Again, is to read the posts and respond directly & coherently (emphasis on coherently).
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Yes, actually they did. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't change the facts.
As I've said before, even if you could somehow prove that Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii, that would not prove that he was born in a foreign country.
No, the fact that the bio that came from him says he was born in Kenya tends that have that effect and not your strawman argument. I've certainly never made that argument, so why are you bringing it up???
So you're trying to argue against Obama now?? What exactly is the point other than to sound like you know something that you don't??
What log book? What search warrant?
Assuming Obama stays healthy, the only way to get rid of him now is either impeachment/removal or the expiration of his term. Even if the Senate refuses to convict/remove him, an impeachment now would tie up all of Obama's resources for a long time.
You keep stating your personal opinion as if it is fact. It’s the mirror opposite. I pointed this out to you in several posts, & you refused even to read them. [Or else you managed to read them w’out figuring out the meaning of a single word. I.e.: you blocked them out.]
Do some research of your own. You will be surprised & I daresay shocked [unless you are just fundamentally dishonest/a troll] at how many people To This Day doubt or flat out disbelieve Obama’s several/slippery/slithery nativity tales. The percentage is quite high.
Unless you are happy living in a fact-free make-believe universe, a bit of education on the subject can only do you good. It will save you the embarrassment of posting ignorant opinions that are contradicted by all available evidence/facts.
I don't share your belief. I believe that such an issue might have hurt Obama if there had been substantial believable evidence that he was born in another country. But, there wasn't. And, to this day, there just isn't.
Twice now the voters and their electors have decided that Obama meets the constitutional qualifications to be president. They won't be asked again. It's over.
I really think you ought to at least think about the question that I asked you in post 169. Obama won by a four percentage point margin last November. Your suggestion that he won by four points in spite of being politically hurt by the birther issue implies that Obama would have won by an even larger margin had there been no birther issue. Do you really believe that?
I don't.
Politically (if not financially) birtherism is dead. It died last November when the voters and their electors made their final decisions. People who want Obama to be removed from office early should shift their forcus to a demand for impeachment. I could join you in that kind of effort. ;-)
Your posts are—there is no kinder way to put it—psychotically disconnected from reality. What I believe or my sincerity has nothing to do w it. I keep referring you to facts & evidence, & you steadfastly refuse to have anything to do w either one. You live in your own make-believe world, the greatest threat to which is actual facts.
If you didn’t find facts so threatening/devastating to your opinion, you would (1) actually read the posts containing them & respond directly & coherently, or (2) so some research on your own & post your findings. [I.e.: you would discover what percentage of the population to this day doubts or outright disbelieves Obama’s strange, shifting & demonstrably duplicitous nativity tales.] The fact that you do neither is proof positive that facts & evidence are your greatest enemies. What an indictment.
Well, we may not agree on much, but I do appreciate your time and effort and I sincerely thank you for that. ;-)
You’re welcome.
& let me just add that I honestly don’t understand your aversion to facts, evidence & research. Last evening I had a sm amnt of disposable time. Probably no more than 10 minutes, 15 at the outside. I used it to plug a few almost random words into my favorite search engine. Things like, ‘doubt Obama born Hawaii’, etc.
What I discovered surprised me. I had imagined that skepticism over Obama’s tall birth tales leveled off or even abated after the release of his LF BC. Not true! The percentage of Americans who doubt or disbelieve O’s lies continues to slowly & incrementally creep upwards. How heartening. Perhaps even dumbed down low-information voters can spot a con man-liar when they see one.
As I said, I had minimal time to spend in the effort. Yet it was informative & educational—& it flies in the face of your opinion. Iow, the actual evidence shows that raising questions re: Obama’s honesty & integrity re: his birth narrative undercuts Obama’s credibility as few, if any, other efforts do.
All this info is out there, available to anyone w an open mind, a computer, internet access, and the ability to come up w a few pertinent key words. I just don’t get why you refuse to expose yourself to reality. If you are a conservative, why are you not delighted that people doubt, in slowly yet steadily increasing numbers, Obama’s honesty on such a fundamental level? Why do you not see this was good news?
I wish you were sufficiently honest to have a simple, straightforward discussion of the subject. Your usual MO is to try to change the subject. Failing that, you simply ignore the facts. Neither leads to rational, intelligent discussion.
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