Posted on 04/07/2013 2:47:34 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
It is referenced as such in Hawaii statutes. An example can be found here:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0006.htm
The statute that governs the verification issued by Onaka states:
"A verification shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and that the facts of the event are as stated by the applicant."
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0014_0003.htm
What matters is that the Secretary of State in Arizona accepted the letter as proof of birth and used it to approve Obama for the Arizona ballot, as did the Secretary of State of Kansas who also asked for a Letter of Verification.
We can parse the wording of a letter but it is the official action taken in response to a Certified Letter of Verification in Lieu of Birth Certificate that is the bottom line. Every state’s Chief Election Official approved Obama for their state’s ballot and in 2012. There were 50 ballot challenges heard in 22 states plus the District of Columbia that had formal legal proceedings challenging Obama’s eligibility. None were successful. Several are still pending.
Ten Republicans in the House voted against Boehner’s reelection.
In 2010 Boehner was quoted as saying: “The state of Hawaii has said that he was born there. That’s good enough for me.” That is his only comment on this issue to date.
A SOS only kicks a presidential candidate off the ballot if he/she gets orders from the DEM/GOP-e party to do so, i.e. only small parties get booted.
That is amazingly corrupt.
Yeah but every state allows for ballot challenges through the courts or state Elections Boards. That’s why there were fifty of them in 22 states plus a challenge in the District of Columbia in 2012. Several of those court challenges resulted in rulings that Obama is a natural born citizen.
For example, like this one:
Purpura & Moran v Obama: New Jersey Administrative Law Judge Jeff S. Masin: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.” April 10, 2012
http://www.scribd.com/doc/88936737/2012-04-10-NJ-Purpura-Moran-v-Obama-Initial-Decision-of-ALJ-Masin-Apuzzo
There not much else that can be done when the court rulings go against you. The plaintiffs did appeal and the appeal was denied at the state Supreme Court.
“A verification shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and that the facts of the event are as stated by the applicant.”
Except in the event that evidence in a criminal BC forgery trail demonstrates that the verification was criminally created in furtherance of a conspiracy by the Barry, HI officials, and the DNC to defraud the courts, the electors and congress.
In that impending hypothetical case, which is the case that Zullo claims to have 100% proved, it should be obvious that any HI verification produced by a corrupt HI official would be a legal nullity.
“The problem is a “Birth certificate” is a generic term in Hawaii, the precise legal term is “Certificate of Live Birth””
Any court would consider this evidence - as the state of Arizona did. Conspiracy theorists will not - but then, nothing will satisfy a conspiracy nut.
Your response made it appear that you might be a financial beneficiary of the scam. I hope that’s not true. ;-)
Nah, nothing like that.
When someone takes a position that has no basis in fact but appears to be driven primarily by emotion, I consider the relative benefit of something to be stronger rather than weaker...;-)
And the “original record on our files” could be that “home birth” type of thing that even foreign born people could get.
O’s granny in Hawaii (or anybody!) probably did that.
See Sun Yat Sen; he had one of those Hawaii “home birth” certs but he was born in China!
I knew there was something I liked about you! ;-)
Except that the verification names the place of birth and it’s a hospital.
Hospital doesn’t acknowledge it; no plaques, monuments, bragging “o was born here”. Isn’t that a little suspicious?
Plus look at the lawyerly parsing; let me go get a link to the other thread.
Natufian, here is the post from the “o naturalized in 1983 “ thread
To: ConstantSkeptic
“The biggest problem with Sven’s allegations is that the U.S. Department of State and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security are formally on record with their denial that Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia and their assertion that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”
Not true. DOS and DHS did not make a positive “assertion that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”
DOS and DHS made a denial of the “allegation” of the plaintiff sufficient to avoid a default judgment in favor of the plaintiff. A denial in an answer to a lawsuit does not require a positive assertion that Barry IS NBC or WAS born in HI or provision of any evidence or citation of any case law.
Here is what DOS and DHS denied:
“To the extent this paragraph alleges that PresidentObama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States, that allegation is denied. Specifically,Defendants deny that President Obama was born in Kenya or anywhere outside the state of Hawaii.”
Note the lawyerly parsing. They don’t say Barry is NBC or that he was born in HI. If they did that they could be forced to defend such claims with evidence if the matter went to trial.
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Yes, it is but a judge wouldn't even give you the time of day if that was your case in court.
Lawyerly parsing or not, that argument fails because the statute governing the issuance of verifications states that:
A verification shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and that the facts of the event are as stated by the applicant.
Any judge in the land would take one look at that document, look up the statute and take is as read that officially, legally and lamentably Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. Anyone wanting to dispute that would need to build a credible case that there is a widespread and wide ranging conspiracy operating within the HDOH.
100% correct
Note the lawyerly parsing. They don’t say Barry is NBC or that he was born in HI. If they did that they could be forced to defend such claims with evidence if the matter went to trial.
Sorry, I'd have to disagree. The lawyer specifically said that Obama wasn't "born ....anywhere outside of the state of Hawaii." That can only mean he was they are stating he was born in Hawaii. There are actively denying that he was born anywhere but Hawaii.
Try put it into other words yourself and see how you get on.
.”... Anyone wanting to dispute that would need to build a credible case that there is a widespread and wide ranging conspiracy operating within the HDOH....”
See butterdezillion research.
See the cold case posses investigation results.
See the forensic labs results.
Hawaii COLB is a FORGERY.
See #106 and your #116
I haven’t seen any forensic lab results. Do you have a link?
I doubt BDZ’s efforts (I can see that she’s put her heart and soul into it) will gain much traction mainly because it’s not really that credible.
As for the CCP, color me skeptical. It seems to me that it’s a never ending story of Zullo promising to release *explosive* new evidence soon but where “soon” is like tomorrow; it’s always one day away. Lot’s of teasing and no action.
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