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To: butterdezillion
Yep.

http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

VS.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate

Kansas to Onaka:

The information contained in the “Certificate of Live Birth” published at http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf and reviewed by you on the date of your verification, a copy of which is attached to this request, is identical to the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health

Onaka to Kansas

3. The information contained in the “Certificate of Live Birth” published at http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate and reviewed by me on the date of this verification, a copy of which is attached to your request, matches the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health.

Onaka to MDEC - Mississippi Democratic Party

2. The information contained in the “Certificate of Live Birth” published at http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate and reviewed by me on the date of this verification, a copy of which is attached to your request, matches the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health.

195 posted on 01/31/2013 1:22:48 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Correction: I hand typed this post out and instead of copy and pasting and I see I made a mistake.

I missed the “www.” in the address below:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

VS.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate


197 posted on 01/31/2013 1:33:04 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue; butterdezillion; edge919; rxsid; LucyT; Red Steel; null and void

The pattern of evasion by Onaka (substituting “matches” v. “identical”) is, IMO consistent with what Zullo and Arpaio have charged is a conspiracy in HI (DOH and Governors) to conceal the fact that prior to April 2011 that was no paper “original” Certificate of Live Birth in HI, as Abercrombie had said in January 2011.

I am suspecting that when no LFBC was found and the pressure from Corsi and Trump was mounting the conspirators allowed POTUS Obama to “find” a “copy” of his “original 1961 LFBC” most likely forged as a pdf in Chicago.

This 2011 forged pdf was then transported to HI DOH and placed in the vital records archive with a sworn statement from Obama that this was a “true and correct copy” of the BC that Ayers referred as being found with his immunization records to when he wrote Dreams for Barry.

Doesn’t HI law allow subsequent provision of “proof” of an HI birth if it is sworn to?

There could even be a secret “nunc pro tunc” (now for then) executive order signed by Governor Abercrombie directing that the 2011 pdf from Chicago be deemed an “original” that had been lost. The fake pdf would gain legal treatment as an original in the same way that a modified adoption certificate would be.

Given this hypothetical, Onaka could truthfully say that an original vital record is in the archive...originally created in 2011 in Chicago and deemed to be legally a 1961 document nunc pro tunc in April 2011.

Remember that Corsi’s PI in HI claimed that he had a mole in HI DOH who said that up until April 2011 there was no LFBC for Barry, but then suddenly one appeared in the archive. Then Barry’s personal lawyer flies out from DC to witness this magically appearing BC getting copied and certified (with a deniable Onaka signature stamp).

The Federal Rules of Evidence allow for cross-examination of the custodian of records, Onaka, as a challenge to prima facie acceptance if there is evidence that the record is not genuine, IIRC (IANAL). But any such cross-examination an only occur in a court and Barry has NEVER “produced” his HI LFBC in any court obviously to evade any testimony on the record as to the provenance of the WH pdf LFBC or the alleged “original” LFBC in possession of HI DOH or any comparison of the two.

State secretaries of state can only request certification from a co-equal state, they are not entitled to cross-examine of challenge the prima facie veracity of documents that another state certifies. Each is entitled to full faith and credit acceptance from other states, unlike federal courts. This convenient fact is, of course, known to Barry and his Chicago, HI and DNC co-conspirators.

Again, all of the above would be consistent with Zullo and Arpaio’s claim that HI officials are actively conspiring to defeat examination of the HI vital record in a court of law.


198 posted on 01/31/2013 2:37:41 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Smokeyblue
In post 163 you wrote: Onaka wrote "original record" not "original birth certificate." Stop misquoting him.

In this later post you quote Onaka: original Certificate of Live Birth

i'm glad you cleared up the fact that there was no misquote. Don't be so quick to attack everyone by assuming they are trolls. Assuming that I and others are trolls may make you feel more correct, but it also opens you up to blind spots and rationalizations. You need to simply respond directly to the arguments or just ignore them otherwise.

202 posted on 01/31/2013 4:29:58 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Smokeyblue

The blog is written by Dan Pfeifer, a know-nothing who can claim he didn’t know the BC he posted was a forgery. The HDOH can say they were only quoting Dan Pfeifer. None of the people who would know the truth about it being a forgery are willing to put THEIR NAME ON THE LEGAL GUILLOTINE for this claim. Instead they said (in effect), “Look over there! Dan Pfeifer says Obama posted his birth certificate!”

But the fact that the MDEC attorneys knew to do that ploy - knew that this was the acceptable accommodation for the HDOH, to give them an extra layer of insulation between them and outright perjury - suggests something a little more cozy between these players. Just like Stig’s newly-altered BC# being shown by CNN 2 days before Obama’s forged long-form (having Stig’s BC# on it) indicates a bit of “coziness” there on the part of some critical players...

If I were these critters I’d be getting pretty uncomfortable right now. And maybe that’s why we’ve got so many critters on these threads in the past few days...


205 posted on 01/31/2013 5:42:05 PM PST by butterdezillion
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