Skip to comments.Anti-Depressants linked to mass murders
Posted on 01/12/2013 7:10:39 AM PST by yoe
[snip] (Standard Gravure shooting) First known shooting with ties to Prozac. Joseph Wesbecker kills 12, injures 9.
Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebolds medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfathers girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
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“... the voices are telling me you should be back on yours”.
You are so BAD! LOL!
“Have you ever studied the religion, read the literature, or heard the music of agrarian societies?”
You cannot imagine how much I’ve studied.
Archaeology/anthropology/comparative religion is one of my great passions.
I was also blessed to born into a family which farmed the land to survive.
Until my grandparents died and the farming ceased, nobody had time to contemplate their navels and bemoan their ills.
We got up early, worked hard and fell into bed in sound sleep.
Until I got married and moved to a more ‘urban’ life, I didn’t really know I *had* any “problems”.
Case in point, my life has become so non-agrarian that my parents were baffled by my joyous appearance on their doorstep when the last snows hit.
Shoveling their walks and driveway was *fun*.
The adrenaline of exercise, the endorphins of good, simple hard work were intoxicating.
When I left, smiling but exhausted, I could see my mom looking out the window with what looked like bewilderment.
And then I came home and shoveled some more snow from places that didn’t really warrant shoveling.
I miss that life of simple, mindless labor.
It’s liberating and healing.
[you have a very bleak view of Christianity, I must say. that’s not what it is for me]
Animal experiments prove that.
Human are still “animals”, in our basest essence.
Just crazy coincidences.
I found this to be a more realistic view of ritalin. It's just wrong that a mass of children have been designated as "sick". Normal has a HUGE range.
Paxil & ADHD Drug* 2000-05-18 Washington
*Mother Stabs Daughter: Not Guilty by Reason of Drug Induced Insanity
Prozac* 2003-07-11 Louisiana
*Not Guilty by Reason of Prozac Induced Insanity: Mother Kills Daughter
Paxil* 2011-05-20 California
*Wife Given Probation After Stabbing Husband Over 200 Times: Rage Caused by Meds
Prozac 1991-10-16 California
*Woman Kills Her Mother: Given Only 3 Years in Prison Because of Testimony Using Prozac Defense
Prozac 1998-10-13 Scotland
*Woman Stabs Boyfriend: Used Prozac Defense: Placed on Probation
Prozac 1991-11-06 California
+Daughter, A College Professor, Bites her 87 Year Old Mother to Death
Psychiatry is crap.
They lost what little credibility they had when they delisted homosexuality as mental disorder.
Most ‘issues’ are rooted in suppressed anger which has many origins.
Admit the anger and let it go.
[kind of biblical, really]
“blues are all about getting up after being beaten, about stories of people that has went trought hell and back, just to stand again and sing his song for his people, is about love, hate, passion, blues is simply, a mission from god”
And so, there we have it.
Success is getting back up just one more time than you’ve been knocked down.
And what would this thread be without an appearance of the ubiquitous straw man?
The Physicians’ Desk Reference lists the following adverse reactions (side effects) to antidepressants among a host of other physical and neuropsychiatric effects. None of these adverse reactions (side effects) is listed as Rare. They are all listed as either Frequent or as Infrequent:
Manic Reaction (Mania, e.g., Kleptomania, Pyromania, Dipsomania, Nymphomania)
Hypomania (e.g., poor judgment, over spending, impulsivity, etc.)
Emotional Lability (Or Instability)
Alcohol Abuse and/or Craving
Akathisia (Severe Inner Restlessness)
Discontinuation (Withdrawal) Syndrome
On March 22, 2004 the FDA published a Public Health Advisory that reiterates several of these side effects and states (in part) “Anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, impulsivity, akathisia (severe restlessness), hypomania, and mania have been reported in adult and pediatric patients being treated with antidepressants for major depressive disorder as well as for other indications, both psychiatric and non-psychiatric.”
On September 14, 2004 the FDA added a Black Box Warning in regard to antidepressants & suicidality in those under age 18.
On September 14, 2004 the FDA mandated that pharmacies provide to all parents or guardians for those younger than 18 an Antidepressant Patient Medication Guide. This guide reads (in part) “Call healthcare provider right away if you or your family member has any of the following symptoms: Acting aggressive, being angry, or violent & acting on dangerous impulses.” This Antidepressant Patient Medication Guide also states “Never stop an antidepressant medicine without first talking to a healthcare provider. Stopping an antidepressant medicine suddenly can cause other symptoms.”
On December 13, 2006, the Black Box Warning for suicidality was updated to include those under age 25. The Black Box Warning is included in the insert to the drugs and in the Physicians’ Desk reference.
Some because that is what their doctor prescribed and others for "fun".
Mine just return my setting to "normal". I don't get a "high" off them and I don't get numb. I am just me again.
If you are not responding to a medicine or you are having weird side effects then for the love of mike quit taking it.
If your doctor disagrees, get another doctor. Get two or three of them if you must. Being human they view every thing through a prism of their own bises which can sometimes make them see problems that aren't there while overlooking the ones that are.
I would not be in the spot I am if fifteen years ago when my then doctor told me, "that's normal, just live with it" I had found another doctor who know what he was doing.
No, but that's a bit of a straw man argument you're attempting there.
I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm merely providing solid data that backs up the assertion that there's a causal link between these powerful, mind altering drugs, and some of these 'inexplicable' homicides.
Are you aware that they now routinely prescribe antidepressants for pets?
Does your dog have “separation anxiety”?
Don’t bother with all the tedious training and conditioning to cure your dog...drug it up!
[the deal with the puppies makes me sick]
Our little almost-4-months Halla is a whirlwind with needle teeth, inflicting disaster, mayhem, chaos and destruction wherever she races like a maniac.
God bless her, I wouldn’t have her any other way.
After extensive medical care and much worry that she would die, she’s turned out to be a normal, happy puppy!
I knew a guy whose son was on Ritalin.
When I asked why, his teachers had decreed him ‘abnormal’ because he fidgeted instead of studying, teased the little girls and always wanted to run and play outside in the sunshine.
Oh, the horror of a healthy 7 year old boy.
They should’ve just shot him like a mad dog in the street.
Heh....great minds really do think alike! I was just saying that.
“I am going to venture to say that part of the problem is that people who don’t need anti-depressants are taking them.”
We have a winner.
They’re being prescribed to women going through menopause.
Menopause is a normal, natural thing..not a “mental illness”.
It became ‘hip’ to take Prozac in the 90’s because it causes ‘weight loss’ in many people.
Hollyweirdos took it just for that.
They’re [over]prescribed for things that are actually just normal life events, such as a loss of a loved one, a job, your hair, whatever.
*Everything* is “depression”, now.
The true, _clinically depressed_ [idiopathic depression arising from no identifiable emotional upheaval or physical cause] are fairly rare.
But, the pills are very profitable and the masses very gullible.
So, here we are, a Prozac nation.
The drugs are garbage. And it’s not just the antidepressants. ALL of the FDA approved mind and mood altering drugs garbage, and Everyone in the industry knows it, and lies about it or issues a No Comment.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/5/genera_evelyn_p_080122_jury_trials_in_2008_.htm 70% driving impaired
John Breeding on youtube
Antidepressants do more harm than good
tardive dysphoria/chronic ssri use
check his blogroll
Brain Damage neuroleptics
Brain damage, dementia and persistent cognitive dysfunction associated with neuroleptics (1990)
Brain damage, dementia and persistent cognitive dysfunction associated with neuroleptics: Evidence, Etiology, Implications.
The voices in your head told the voices in my head to type that.
[they’ve got a real party line going on up there]
As someone who suffered from depression for decades, I can attest to it's existence. I wasn't a little blue, I did have suicidal thoughts.
I tried Zoloft, and I got worse. I actually had some auditory stuff happen to me (like someone screaming in the back of my head). That scared the hell out of me, and I refused to take it anymore. Drs. want to give it to you, but, I couldn't risk that happening again. It had never happened to me before, or after I stopped taking that drug.
Funny thing, when I went thru menopause, my depressions got a lot less frequent and I wasn't constantly down anymore. When I had a hysterictomy (cancer), and all the lady parts left, so did my depression.
I am old enough to remember the first feminists shouting about the "mysoginistic" doctors ripping women's uteruses out just because they hated women and were doing it for "hysteria". Well, I now wonder if they just had enough experience of seeing women improve from their troubles with depression, that they would do this surgery for that reason.
Anyway, my life dramatically improved after my surgery, and I know that my problem was actually hormones, and these drugs can make a problem worse.
Well, my voices are telling me that I need to get my hiney out of here and get to work.
I’ll be at the top of a ladder for the rest of the day doing mindless rain gutter cleaning therapy. It’s either that, or Prozac. I think I’ll sweat the ladder :-)
Just please! Whatever you do, don’t take the Prozac and *then* try to climb the ladder.
(I hear tell the voices are positively shrill when they get way up high.)
Here I’ve been posting on this thread and now Facebook is asking me “How are you feeling?”
(I think not!)
Same day hearing ~ how about that. Shrink judges on call 24/7
We will probably have a test for the presence of the genes that underlie the condition soon. That test should be mandatory, particularly for anyone running for political office.
http://www.drugs.com/sfx/versed-side-effects.html ~ this is about the side effects of Versed ~ more or less ~ which is a sedative used for minor surgery. Minor surgery would include just about anything to do with the eye, the lower GI, tooth extracts, etc. You really need to read it because you have just reported several of those side effects.
When you reach 60 years of age the required dose is 1/4 the regular dose. That’s when the rare side effect of forgetting periods of time sets in ~ I forgot the entire month of February 2006 after taking Versed. Found out through a friend that the manufacturer was aware that those over 60, or those who are overweight tended to stash it in their body fat and it would keep leaking out doing what it does. They finally made a notice of the problem as Baby Boomers started showing up with the forgetfulness problem. Otherwise it’s about the safest sedative on the market.
I gotta go on an Angel Of Mercy run for hubby.
He’s got chest congestion and needs hot tea, lemon and honey.
[three things he never consumes so we have none in stock]
It’s cold out but sunny so I’m gonna go glory in that and dream of hot days and Harleys.
Who could blame them?
If *you* fall, *they* fall, too.
Hormone Hell is -very- real.
[as those who have ‘crossed me’ me here can attest..I can go from Salamander to Harpy in 1.6 seconds]
It’s asking me “What’s happening?”
Well, I am, that’s what.
“That test should be mandatory, particularly for anyone running for political office. “
No more politicians!
I was 21 and being given 3x the usual dose because the lower doses ‘didn’t work’.
How about maybe it just wasn’t working because I didn’t need it?
God, what a waste of my life.
Ironically, my miserable ex was *thrilled* because the OCD the junk gave me made me clean house 24/7.
My hands looked like raw meat from all the scrubbing and washing...and I couldn’t stop.
The doc and my family only sat up and took notice when I started having absence seizures from the pills.
I *still* have problems with flickering lights and moving objects crossing my field of vision.
They tell me that’s probably permanent.
I’ve only been knocked for minor surgeries twice in the last 20 years. [dental work]
The symptoms predated those incidences but still, that’s a handy thing to know for future reference.
The flickering light thing comes with the widespread use of fluorescent lights. You have a lot of company in that. Don’t worry about it. Just a different refresh rate.
Versed is the most widely used surgical sedative on the planet.
I always tell the docs DON'T USE IT ON ME. They get something else or they just operate without sedatives. The stuff they use for eye surgery freezes your lids, your eye muscles, etc. If you have the patience for it you can just lie there and let 'em cut!
It’s not just artificial lights.
It can be something as simple as sunlight flickering through trees or guardrail posts on the highway.
That infernally omnipresent ‘ticker’ at the bottom of all the TV news is murder.
I have to keep messing with the screen size on my TV to try and get rid of them and *still*, shows like FoxNews has a million twirling, flickering things moving on their studio backgrounds that I can’t stand.
I can’t tolerate the sight of cars moving through the intersection while I’m at a stoplight.
[and unfortunately I have the peripheral vision of a horse, apparently..it’s almost impossible to just ‘look away’]
It’s a neurological thing they don’t know how to “fix”.
Some flourescents, however, can just about make me jump out of my skin.
I can stand being in Lowes about 10 minutes before I have to bug out of there.
The ones hubby has in the machine shop are intolerable for any amount of time.
They don’t bother him at all.
Most guys get through 8 ~ women do far better than I do.
Each frequency that you can detect in your vision has a different refresh rate ~ which is one of the reasons we can tell these blends are different colors. Not everybody has the same number of red, green or blue receptors, and not everybody has rods arrayed in the same manner ~ some people actually have rods all across the retina. Most people have them mostly outside the central portion of the retina.
You could easily have a surplus of red cones ~ and that'll give you a trip ~ I can see a redhead 10 miles across the ice and anybody else better be much closer.
So, just use Google.com to search for COLOR BLINDNESS TEST ~ see what it tells you. Those sparkles and twinkles could simply be your visual cortex telling your extra red cones and possible centrally positioned rods are talking to it!
Well, I'm back. I guess the voices sorta blew it, cause I made it home in one piece. And that would have been the perfect job to do a splat on the pavement! LOL
That is so calling my name. Dang, I miss my hog...sigh..
I can tell you're having a fun day :-)
Just getting in touch with my inner sponge.
I will and will get back to you on it.
It was in the 60s and people were out on bikes.
My soul felt like it was being ripped apart.
I almost turned around and came back for the bike but then I thought better of it.
He’s sick and waiting for his palliative cures and I’m out goofing on back roads?
The call of duty, indeed.
Bubba Love Sponge?
And a fine sponge it be, matey....arghhh
Your Score: 6/6 100%
Hypothesis: With these results, it appears you see colors like most people
I’m not able to find any tests just for rods or cones.
Like you, I’m hypersensitive to red.
Not sure if this has anything to do with anything, but my current “kick” is infrared photography.
It’s like I’m driven to show people the things I’m ‘seeing’ that aren’t actually visible, if that makes any sense.
Could just be another of my strange esoteric quests, though.
Aw, the old man will recover soon enough, and then you can get out and reward yourself with a nice long ride. That is, if the nice temps hold. Temps down Dallas way have been falling all day, and we may even get some snow next week.
Buck up. You know you're doing the right thing :-)
” Buck up. You know you’re doing the right thing :-)”
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Semper fi and all that.
/humph....mutter mutter mutter..wind in my hair...loud pipes
I’m in a color-intensive business, and an individual with poor color acuity or worse yet some variety of color blindness is a recipe for disaster in many capacities. So, we screen for color acuity. This is something of an industry standard for the initial online screen:
The lower your score, the better.
Individuals who do not perform well, who are in color sensitive positions, are then tested in person under 5000 degree Kelvin “daylight” lighting to remove any casts or color shifts, if they request it. If they still perform poorly, they’re moved to a different position assuming there is a position available.
You’d be surprised how often we encounter people with color acuity problems, and it’s not just men.
I think that schizophrenics, once diagnosed should have some kind of legal oversight, like a probation officer that they must report to or will be in violation of the law. The patient overseer would do a brief evaluation and give the patient their shot (it’s only a once a month shot, not daily pills anymore.
I think that every time a psychologist or psychiatrist makes a diagnosis of serious mental instability, the analyst should become automatically responsible to refer the patient for oversight.
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