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Secede from the United States?
WTVA-TV ^ | November 13, 2012 | Robert Byers

Posted on 11/13/2012 4:23:41 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

FULTON, Miss. - The talk these days on many social media web sites like Facebook is a petition to secede from the United States and for states to peacefully create their own government.

We found many people who had signed the Mississippi petition like Brandy T from Saltillo, Irv C from Philadelphia and Michael A from Southaven.

Itawamba Community College Chairman of the Social Science Division Dean Burchfield said, "I think it's a movement of people who want to say they're not happy with the government."

The instructor of history doesn't put much stock in the online effort.

Burchfield said, "If a state wanted to secede, it would be more than just signature petitions. It would have to come from state leaders and people who would organize like conventions or whatever. But I don't see any state seceding."

The movement has gained the attention of some in the national media, enough for stories to be done.

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To: central_va

It won’t be just divided political prefernces that break us up. We’ve always had them.

It’ll be tyranny fron DC on those who decide they’d rather risk civil war than live under it.

41 posted on 11/13/2012 5:21:27 PM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: ReaganGeneration2

There can be no reconciliation, there HAS to be a divorce. The property (states) as well as the debt needs to be divided up. We cannot continue living together. The USA with 50 states is over.

42 posted on 11/13/2012 5:24:35 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
43 posted on 11/13/2012 5:24:35 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest)
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To: APatientMan

And you should be a citizen of Quebec.

44 posted on 11/13/2012 5:32:29 PM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Apportion a state’s electoral votes as a percentage of counties won by a candidate in that state. In California, Obama won 29 counties while Romney won 29 counties as well. The electoral votes in this case would be divided 50/50 or 27.5 EVs for Obama and 27.5 EVs for Romney.

This means that in places like Pennsylvania, a candidate could not just pander to the large cities, they would also have to campaign in rural areas and take rural needs into account.

45 posted on 11/13/2012 5:43:59 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Sergio

Or kick out GOP observers in the polls in big cities like Philadelphia, and then come up with 100% of the vote FOR Obama in some of those precincts. Imagine that! This is no different than Cuba or Hanoi

46 posted on 11/13/2012 5:58:11 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Donate, & walk precincts, not for "Parties", but for individual, principled "Candidates" (& for FR)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If secession is what a large amount of people want then they are going to have to do a lot more planning than just signing a few petitions.


47 posted on 11/13/2012 6:25:47 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At least it’s spelled right...

48 posted on 11/13/2012 6:27:50 PM PST by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If a State can secede from the Union, then is it legal for a county to secede from a State, a municipality from a county or a parcel of land from the county?
49 posted on 11/13/2012 6:42:17 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I remember when I joined FR ten years ago there was the occasional south vs. non-south thread. A few southern conservatives would state the right of secession. And then there would be a long string of counter posts from other members lambasting them. My how things have changed. Who knew ten years ago secession would be in Vogue with conservatives.
50 posted on 11/13/2012 6:45:23 PM PST by sonofron
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To: central_va

“The country is evenly divided politically. This is unsustainable and also cruel to both the socialist and the conservative to live in forced cohabitation. Now is the time to make a geographic divide and allow the two sides somewhere to go to. Why is that so hard to understand? There are no shared common values to work with.”

I agree that a North American breakup could, and probably will, happen someday.

All one has to do is look at the map showing Hispanic population density in the southwestern states to see that the concept of “Atzlan” is no longer a trivial matter - it is quite real. In half-million-strong rallies - in instances where the Mexican flag is raised over the American flag - we are seeing evidence of “emerging Atzlan”. New Mexico is now majority Hispanic. Euros are a minority in California. When the Obama administration amnesty’s the illegals, the “poitical tilt” of Texas will suddenly shift leftward (I will draw fire from Texans reading this for even suggesting such a notion).

In the northeast, liberalism is triumphant. There are very few elected Republican congressmen or senators from the northeastern states. In some ways, the northeast is becoming its own nation, as “separated” in ideologies from mainstream America as is San Francisco. I could almost see a future union of the northeastern states with the maritime provinces of Canada when the breakup arrives.

And that begs the question as to whether Canada could survive a breakup of America to the south. I don’t believe it could. I see the Maritimes going with New England. I see Quebec quite possibly going on its own, perhaps with direct help from France (if that happens, watch French nationals flee to Quebec to escape the rise of Islam at home). I predict British Columbia would be partitioned, the northern part going to the New Alaskan Nation and the southern part joining with Washington, Oregon, and northernmost California as the “Pacific Ecological State”. The prairie provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta and the Northwest Territory will join with Alaska and the mountain states to form one conservative nation. That will leave Ontario with nowhere to go but to join the “Great Lakes Commonwealth” along with Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio, and eastern Iowa. Possibly Indiana as well, but southern Indianans would oppose this.

I foresee the Great Plains states, possibly South Dakota, Nebraska, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, western Iowa, maybe Colorado, joining together as “Prairieland”.

And of course, there’ll be “Dixieland” in the south.

Not sure about Florida yet. Nor Texas — the western end may end up in “Atzlan”, but that still leaves plenty of TX to either go it alone or perhaps consider joining either Dixieland or Prairieland.

In the east - as we witnessed in this election - formerly red states are turning blue, such as Virginia. I envision a new “Atlantic Coastal State” along the eastern coast. The only question will be whether the mid-Atlantic states wish to join this confederation or go their own way.

I also see a “Mountain Home” nation, perhaps comprised of West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, perhaps the western portions of Virginia and North Carolina. Of all the emerging nations, this is the one of which I’d like to be a citizen... :)

A lot of folks here are laughing at the notion that the United States could disunite. But how many nations have existed through time with their boundaries forever unchanged, their internal loyalties forever united?

51 posted on 11/13/2012 6:55:17 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Marie
Really I would love to live in a pro life, Capitalistic, Christian, free country. and gays back in the closet.

Freedom is important, not socialistic america.

52 posted on 11/13/2012 6:57:50 PM PST by factmart
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To: central_va
The country is evenly divided politically. This is unsustainable and also cruel to both the socialist and the conservative to live in forced cohabitation.

The socialists need conservatives to work and pay taxes. Additionally, what would be the demographics of a liberal society that is full of homosexuals and where killing babies is normal and expected?

The socialists also need conservatives as a convenient figure of Emmanuel Goldstein, to be blamed for everything that they do wrong. No, that leech is not planning to let its victim go. If leaders of a state start talking about secession then expect them to be quickly replaced, or at least blackmailed. There are a few types of offers that cannot be refused. Plain old political annihilation is also alive and well, just ask Herman Cain.

53 posted on 11/13/2012 7:24:39 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Pollster1

Better way is nullification.. Disobey any laws that come down from Fed Gov’t you don’t agree with.

54 posted on 11/13/2012 7:38:20 PM PST by scbison
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To: Volunteer

Why? I would love for us to be divided into two separate countries and I have felt that way since Obama was first elected. It’s like a couple who have “irreconcilable differences” and need to just get a divorce. Conservatives and liberals have nothing in common and do not share the same goals. Why should we be forced to live together? Why can’t we just go our separate ways? Let the states that voted for Obama be one nation and those who voted for Romney be another nation. But we get the military.

55 posted on 11/13/2012 8:05:33 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Do you honestly think we will be safer and stronger as 2 different nations? We will not.

My ancestors tried to split away from the US. The result was a bloody war that killed thousands upon thousands.

You have to remember people on 09/12/01 saying, "we are all New Yorkers." The very Red State of MS raised money and brought them a brand new fire truck.

When a hurricane came ashore and destroyed property and killed people in MS, New Yorkers went down to help.

We can disagree. We can even argue. But, we can't split apart. The United States are worth too much to all of us to simply give up.

56 posted on 11/13/2012 8:18:31 PM PST by Volunteer (Though I know that the hypnotized never lie, do ya? - The Who)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Or kick out GOP observers in the polls in big cities like Philadelphia, and then come up with 100% of the vote FOR Obama in some of those precincts

Having spent most of my life there I can tell you this.

The reason why numbers out of Philly come out irregular is because most often and I’m speaking years back the ward leader took care of the elections. rarely did I ever see voting lines and keeping pool watchers out til the vote was over was routine.
Can’t imagine things getting any better since then.

I think what happens is the ward leader pulls the big “D” faster than the others sign all the books.

57 posted on 11/14/2012 3:47:50 AM PST by Undecided 2012
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To: Volunteer

The left is destroying America. There is no benefit to keeping them. And yes, I do believe we (conservatives) will be safer and stronger without the drag of the left. My ancestors as well tried to split away. Too bad they lost.

I feel very strongly about this and though I know it won’t happen any time soon, it is what I wish for.

58 posted on 11/14/2012 4:10:10 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: EricT.

LOL. Not bad.

59 posted on 11/14/2012 3:45:33 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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