Posted on 07/09/2012 1:30:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
And just why are these aspects of the Act not the subject of the nightly news and Sunday talk shows?
If this is true...it’s huge! All Romney has to do is appear at a press conference...announce these facts and it’s over for The One.
What’s taking so long?
Someone got to Roberts.
This is so dangerous!
The only possible happy face we can put on CJ Roberts rubber stamping this horror, is to credit him with a Machiavellian genius none of us suspected, because to believe that his idiotic reasonings were even comprehensible is a joke.
IF, Roberts knew what he was doing, he had to figure that we can’t survive another 4 years of this, and not only that Romney is going to replace Zero, but that Romney on his own is worse than useless.
To truly get rid of O’care is going to take super majorities in both houses just to go find all of the funding dodges, like State Insurance Exchanges, which are buried in other Bills.
I’d Like to think that CJ Roberts thought he was figuratively throwing himself on his own sword in the hope that his ruling would so infuriate the country, that come November, we’ll Get those super majorities as a blow back against all the crooked scum in Congress who did this to us to begin with.
I realize of course that ascribing noble motives of self sacrifice, honor, duty and country to Most politicians is a dead horse, but at this point, I’m hoping he talked long and hard to Old St Nick (Machiavel) before he sided with the Left to uphold this, and I hope it does infuriate voters into landslide wins for conservatives.
Frog in the pot on the stove? Did Roberts turn the stove up Hot enough for the frog to jump?
The part of the law saying it is not reviewable is itself reviewable. And unconstitutional. Not that that means anything anymore...
Can someone get the doc and cut-n-paste the section of the law that does this? I’m pressed for time or I’d do it.
The only reference to the Independent Payment Advisory Board in the main bill is below. It’s not in the reconciliation bill.
‘‘(o) ADVISORY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NON-FEDERAL HEALTH
CARE PROGRAMS.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than January 15, 2015, and
at least once every two years thereafter, the Board shall submit
to Congress and the President recommendations to slow the
growth in national health expenditures (excluding expenditures
under this title and in other Federal health care programs)
while preserving or enhancing quality of care, such as recommendations—
‘‘(A) that the Secretary or other Federal agencies can
implement administratively;
‘‘(B) that may require legislation to be enacted by Congress
in order to be implemented;
‘‘(C) that may require legislation to be enacted by State
or local governments in order to be implemented;
‘‘(D) that private sector entities can voluntarily implement;
and
‘‘(E) with respect to other areas determined appropriate
by the Board.
‘‘(2) COORDINATION.—In making recommendations under
paragraph (1), the Board shall coordinate such recommendations
with recommendations contained in proposals and
advisory reports produced by the Board under subsection (c).
‘‘(3) AVAILABLE TO PUBLIC.—The Board shall make recommendations
submitted to Congress and the President under
this subsection available to the public.’’.
(b) NAME CHANGE.—Any reference in the provisions of, or
amendments made by, section 3403 to the ‘‘Independent Medicare
Advisory Board’’ shall be deemed to be a reference to the ‘‘Independent
Payment Advisory Board’’.
(c) RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in the amendments made
by this section shall preclude the Independent Medicare Advisory
Board, as established under section 1899A of the Social Security
Act (as added by section 3403), from solely using data from public
or private sources to carry out the amendments made by subsection
(a)(4).
We know that the SC can be manipulated by fear tactics. That makes us a “banana republic”.
Then the idea is fully developed here as the Independent Medicare Advisory Board:
SEC. 3403. INDEPENDENT MEDICARE ADVISORY BOARD.
(a) BOARD.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Title XVIII of the Social Security Act
(42 U.S.C. 1395 et seq.), as amended by section 3022, is
amended by adding at the end the following new section:
‘‘INDEPENDENT MEDICARE ADVISORY BOARD
‘‘SEC. 1899A. (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is established an
independent board to be known as the ‘Independent Medicare
Advisory Board’.
‘‘(b) PURPOSE.—It is the purpose of this section to, in accordance
with the following provisions of this section, reduce the per capita
rate of growth in Medicare spending—
‘‘(1) by requiring the Chief Actuary of the Centers for
Medicare & Medicaid Services to determine in each year to
which this section applies (in this section referred to as ‘a
determination year’) the projected per capita growth rate under
Medicare for the second year following the determination year
(in this section referred to as ‘an implementation year’);
‘‘(2) if the projection for the implementation year exceeds
the target growth rate for that year, by requiring the Board
to develop and submit during the first year following the determination
year (in this section referred to as ‘a proposal year’)
a proposal containing recommendations to reduce the Medicare
per capita growth rate to the extent required by this section;
and
‘‘(3) by requiring the Secretary to implement such proposals
unless Congress enacts legislation pursuant to this section.
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I pulled this from
http://democrats.senate.gov/pdfs/reform/patient-protection-affordable-care-act-as-passed.pdf
Congress has the authority to repeal anything at any time regardless of what the Obamacare law says.
Laws that state that they are not judicially reviewable are unconstitutional, and I think the EPA just found that out.
This doesn’t have to be....
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi was the widely accepted and revered leader of the task of taking his native India out of bondage to the British Empire, and his methods were to make the British so nettled, and inconvenienced by his methods, they finally decided the greater part of valor was to withdraw.
If we, as descendents of the most wrong-headed and intransigent masses who ever escaped from the traces of feudalism and despotic rule elsewhere in the world, cannot throw off a pipsqueak outfit like this failing current regime, then we probably DESERVE to succumb to oppressive conditions and lifelong servitude. There are so many ways to sabatoge and subvert the police state, particularly one that does not get into a whole-hearted campaign to jail and isolate every dissident, that they must either get really stringent, or get ridiculed out of town.
They simply do not have the cojones to get really stringent. For one thing, no matter what claims they make, they will not succeed in getting sidearms and even more powerful weaponry away from the citizenry, because this regime will not, cannot, sufficiently enforce the relevant statutes. If this means, in a purely legalistic sense, that laws are to be broken, well, nobody really breaks a law that isn’t enforced. Since this regime has chosen to be lawless, then that sets the rules of engagement.
Lawless it shall be, but that does not mean that justice will not be served. You are talking about a NATION of “cowboys”, and the rough code they subscribe to.
Who needs a dictatorship when you have peronist Argentina right here home of the once free?
It is against the law for a law to be beyond legal review. And there are too many unemployed lawyers willing to challenge it, especially with aging baby boomers with money who will be told to go home and die.
“It is against the law for a law to be beyond legal review.”
Can’t even Amend the Constitution with non reviewable, non reversible Amendments. Somebody needs to B’Slap these fools with what the 21st Amendment, “Reviewed”.
“It is against the Law.”
That doesn’t even Begin to express how D**n Illegal it is!
NFIB et al. v. Sibelius did not raise the question of the constitutionality of the provisions of the law establishing the IPAB, and the SCOTUS did not rule on that those provisions were constitutional. The attempt to bind future Congresses is prima facia unconstitutional, and will surely be challenged on those grounds in due time.
“Someone got to Roberts.
This is so dangerous!”
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Possibly.....but more likely SOMEONE HAS SOMETHING on Roberts and/or his family. And, if that’s the case, Roberts will become that SOMEONE’s puppet whenever THEY want to strategically “pull the Roberts string” again...and again....and again.....and again.....and again.....
Roberts, for whatever reason, has sold his soul.
Until then, he’s just a dic.
Apparently I had the wrong bill version number, as Whenifhow kindly pointed out.
The correct version, H. R. 4872, does NOT have an Independent Medicare Advisory Board or Independent Cost Advisory Board.
So the unconstitutional horror of a 15 member panel writing laws wholesale does not seem to be in THIS bill, yet.
Since I got confused, you should check the version and bill number, but I think I got it right.
There is a 9 member advisory panel dealing with education, a 15 member Advisory Committee dealing with health workforce statistics, a Health Benefits Advisory Committee (death panel, I think), a TELEHEALTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE, but not the committee in the article.
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