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Things often overlooked by preppers
Prudence Not Paranoia ^ | 6/1/12 | rknecht

Posted on 06/01/2012 9:22:45 AM PDT by Kartographer

More Americans are joining the ranks of “preppers” every day.

My last two columns discussed the growing trend of people taking steps to ensure they can be as self-sufficient as possible over the short term in; the event of a natural or manmade catastrophe.

Preppers aren’t necessarily members of groups with a political agenda.

They’re just concerned citizens and sometimes include groups of families, neighborhoods, churches, civic organizations and even entire states.

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I myself added two 500 count bottles of acetaminophen and two 500 count bottles of ibuprofen to my preps just this week.
1 posted on 06/01/2012 9:22:55 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

The top of my list for things people forget is physical fitness and strength training.


2 posted on 06/01/2012 9:29:22 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

Self-reliance - what a concept!


3 posted on 06/01/2012 9:30:21 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Prepper PING!

Please consider this our weekly Prepper Thread.


4 posted on 06/01/2012 9:31:16 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Could you please add me to the prepper ping list? Thanks.


5 posted on 06/01/2012 9:41:09 AM PDT by Spirit of Liberty (http://www.honorflight.org)
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To: Kartographer
Two things I never see included in preps but which IMHO will be really be needed is tranquilizers and sleep aids.

I would also recommend any sort of antidepressants you can get.

If something happens for which preps are needed people are going to be freaking out. Being able to calm them down and get them to sleep is going to be a gift beyond price.

6 posted on 06/01/2012 9:43:59 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Migrating elephant herds react badly to flaming motor homes and dry ice doesn't repel killer bees)
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To: Kartographer

If you’re on special meds, re-order the first chance you get, and keep doing that each time. You’ll start building up a supply of them, in case the source is disrupted at some point in future. Even though most meds in pill form have a one year shelf life. They’ll last longer, just may not be as effective. You can do the same thing with those as with foods; first in, first out.


7 posted on 06/01/2012 9:45:21 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Being able to calm them down and get them to sleep is going to be a gift beyond price.

That's why God gave us home-brew.

/johnny

8 posted on 06/01/2012 9:47:21 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

One thing I seldom see is glasses.

If you need corrective lenses, you’d do well to order a couple extra pair through an inexpensive online source. Dito with contacts, although if you’re using the throwaway ones, you’ll need a bunch.

But also consider that your eyes (and those of anyone in your household who need lenses) are likely to change over time. It would be prudent to order a couple of pre-emptive prescriptions that might get you closer to your vision several years out, if you can find an optometrist to work with you.

Another thing to consider is fixing on one set of frames so you can order multiple pair of bare frames so you can move the lenses or cannibalize them for parts down the road.

It would be great if some optometrist out there could help establish some sort of SHTF vision kit. Like a standardized set of frames and standardized lenses (probably round) to help get the price down so people could order in bulk and stash them away just in case.


9 posted on 06/01/2012 9:47:26 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: Kartographer

I’d like to be added to the prepper ping list. Thanks


10 posted on 06/01/2012 9:48:15 AM PDT by albie
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To: chrisser
One thing I seldom see is glasses. => One thing I seldom see on these lists is glasses.
11 posted on 06/01/2012 9:49:06 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: Kartographer
Things often overlooked by preppers
Being prepared for an emergency (flood, no power, blizzard, etc.) is one thing - being a "prepper" (as seen on TV) is quite a different thing.
What preppers overlook is that they wasted away their lives in totally unnecessary fear, while making their families suffer from their mental illness.
12 posted on 06/01/2012 9:54:53 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Kartographer

I added a couple of cases of Hydrogen-peroxide

it is less than a buck a bottle, and is good for cleaning and disinfecting things too


13 posted on 06/01/2012 9:57:51 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I bought a rubber mallet just in case.

Dont forget. Being a prepper makes you an “enemy of the state” so be careful in all things


14 posted on 06/01/2012 9:58:02 AM PDT by winodog
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To: SuziQ
Even though most meds in pill form have a one year shelf life.

That's on the short side. Testing done by the DoD and FDA have shown that all most all medication, if kept in a cool, dry environment, have 90% efficacy after 10 years.

15 posted on 06/01/2012 10:02:50 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day. Another small provocation. Another step closer.)
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To: chrisser

Yes, this is one area in which I’ve gone to some length to prepare. My 72 hour kit sling bag carries both regular glasses and sunglasses for my current prescription; both are in hard cases. Just spent a nice chunk of change updating all of my eyewear. See to live, live to see.


16 posted on 06/01/2012 10:04:21 AM PDT by Noumenon (If people saw socialists for what they truly are, slaughter would ensue - in self-defense.)
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To: chrisser

Get a bunch of the “reading” glasses they sell at drug stores. They come in all kinds of setting and are cheap.


17 posted on 06/01/2012 10:07:52 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day. Another small provocation. Another step closer.)
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To: oh8eleven

You either prepare and stand on your own beholden to no one or you become dependent on others to provide your basic needs and become thier‘serf’. Me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be shut up in with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

Let us know how standing on the bridge works out for you.

Now anyone thinking that prepping is foolish ask you what’s easier telling your children and loved ones why you prepared or explaining to them why you didn’t?

But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever. 1 Timothy 5:8

You know on second thought don’t let us know how standing on the bridge works out for you we already the answer.


18 posted on 06/01/2012 10:09:53 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: driftdiver
Entertainment

Even with all of the extra manual work to do there will be down time and long periods of it.

Books
Board Games
Cards
Arts and Crafts (papper, pencil, pens and crayons have many uses.)

19 posted on 06/01/2012 10:10:39 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day. Another small provocation. Another step closer.)
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To: Kartographer

>> “I myself added two 500 count bottles of acetaminophen and two 500 count bottles of ibuprofen to my preps just this week.” <<

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Trying to assure that you have a quick way to commit suicide?

Just buy aspirin. It works without endangering your life. (and its cheaper)


20 posted on 06/01/2012 10:12:44 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Never had a problem yet. My dentist recomends a combo of the two instead of giving you codine and its worked for me.


21 posted on 06/01/2012 10:15:56 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Drill Thrawl
Get a bunch of the “reading” glasses they sell at drug stores. They come in all kinds of setting and are cheap.

That would probably work great if you're farsighted. I'm very nearsighted. Without my glasses, I can see almost up to the end of my nose, but am pretty much blind past the end of my arm.

My biggest worry is being able to shoot if I can't see distance well. Less of a problem for self defense (I could probably see well enough with old glasses within 10-15 feet) as it would be for hunting.
22 posted on 06/01/2012 10:16:23 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: oh8eleven

Be sure to have lots of black felt pens on hand to make your “Will Work for Food” signs.

You’ll need them.


23 posted on 06/01/2012 10:18:27 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Kartographer

Your liver and kidneys might feel differently about that.
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24 posted on 06/01/2012 10:20:10 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: chrisser

Lasik is well worth the investment if its an option.


25 posted on 06/01/2012 10:21:39 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

You’ve added two liver solubles. You need to get some kidney solubles.

I recommend aspirin and naproxen. That way you won’t over load anyone’s liver.


26 posted on 06/01/2012 10:22:52 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Kartographer
Office supplies!

Antimicrobials of a simple kind can be gotten in the verterinary section of your local TSC. They are effective and pure. I bought sulfa powder and gentian violet. I also have a colloidal silver generator, which makes a super-effective anti-microbial that can be taken internally as well as used topically for wounds, plus depending on how it is made, can be used to disinfect surfaces. Distilled water+pure (.999 at least) silver. (This means you need a source of electricity, whether it is from batteries or generated from a wall source.

Candy and other comfort foods/rewards. Games, playing cards, books for boring times. Hard candies can be dissolved and used for sugar if necessary. Honey can be purchased in powder form.

Vinegar with the "mother," (Bragg is best) so you can make your own. Make sure to save the brown stuff in the bottom of the bottle, and all you add later is cider. Acidophilus caps to make your own yogurt from powdered milk.

27 posted on 06/01/2012 10:23:56 AM PDT by redhead (Libs can't win without cheating--Conservatives don't have to cheat to win)
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To: Kartographer

Your ignorant reply just re-enforces my comments. Which episode were you on? LOL ...


28 posted on 06/01/2012 10:24:12 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: All; metmom; oh8eleven

If you look through most any of the Preparedness threads here on FR you will find examples of the three types of people I call the anti-preppers. The first is the “I’ve got lots of guns and plenty of ammo and I’ll just take what I need.” and the seconded is “I don’t prep because I don’t believe anything is going to happen, but if it does preppers should share with me.”

Anyone reading these peoples post can easily pick-up the anger in many of them and you will soon see that it’s not just the Libs that are shocked and infuriated by preppers.

The first group the “I’ll take what I want crowd” when confronted will often back off saying things like “I was just joking”, but I don’t believe it. When I read their post I can’t help but think of this quote from one of my favorite westerns ’Open Range’: “Most times a man will tell you his bad intentions if you listen, let yourself hear.” I’ve ‘hear’ their intentions and they aren’t good.

The third type that I would like to warn about are those who wish to bring God’s Armageddon into the discussion as if they know that it will be God’s will should some catastrophe befall us. They claim this despite the fact that the history of man is full of direr times which were caused by nature or man himself.

History has shown us all too well that men do not need God’s help them muck things up to a point were their fellows cry out for God to end it all and relieve them of their misery.

There will be many in this ‘its God’s will’ crowd who will want to see you punished as they will see your prepping as you trying to dodging God’s punishment. This group along with the “I don’t prep, but you should share” group will be among the first to report you and your ‘hoarding’ to the powers that be in their efforts to make sure you too suffer just as they do. The ‘its God’s will’ will do it because they will see you as trying to escape the rightful wrath of God (as if they know the Lord’s mind) and the second because you proved them wrong.

You can be fairly certain that all three groups will hate you as they will be quick to blame you for the ‘troubles’ because in their twisted way of thinking your prepping brought the ‘troubles’ and therefore you need to be punished for your transgression.

Always keep this three groups in mind when it comes to OPSEC. Operational Security is not just for your Lib neighbors many people that you may think of as being conservative thinkers will be just as dangerous.

We have talked a lot about safety in numbers and that is so true, just remember that not all enemies sail under their true colors.

Beware these people listen to their words carefully and “Listen, let yourself hear.” what they are saying.


29 posted on 06/01/2012 10:25:38 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Here’s something you almost never see on prep lists: baby diapers and adult diapers.

Babies have a habit of being born at higher rates when there is no electricity. Even if you don’t have a baby now... might you need a supply of cloth diapers later?

Also adult diapers: Will you have an elderly adult with you during the crisis? Maybe they don’t need adult diapers now, but in a few years? Or if someone is seriously injured requiring near-hospitalization bed care? A supply of adult-sized cloth diapers, pants, and cleanup supplies may be nice to add to your Medical list.

That’s the hard thing about prepping — you’ve got to think of *everything*.


30 posted on 06/01/2012 10:28:38 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: PastorBooks

And baby formula is another over looked item.


31 posted on 06/01/2012 10:30:25 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

For folks that have to have pain medications, the ‘Poppy’ flower grows about as good over here as it does in Afghanistan. They have a certain ‘medicinal’ value if pharmacies were to become unavailable. Seeds can be bought for them (legally) virtually anywhere that sells flowers, ect. Just make sure you get the ‘right’ kinds.


32 posted on 06/01/2012 10:30:53 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: redhead
Don't forget scissors! All kinds, sizes, including a pair of left-hand shears and barber shears.

If you are adding whole grains to your lists, be sure to get a strong, simple grain mill for grinding that grain into flour.

33 posted on 06/01/2012 10:33:12 AM PDT by redhead (Libs can't win without cheating--Conservatives don't have to cheat to win)
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To: Kartographer

“And baby formula is another over looked item.”

Wow, good one.

Is formula available as a powder that will keep for years?


34 posted on 06/01/2012 10:34:50 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: chrisser; Kartographer

Check these out:
http://www.eyejusters.com


35 posted on 06/01/2012 10:35:18 AM PDT by anonsquared
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To: winodog
Per federal law, signed by Carter in 1979, each adult in the household is lawfully allowed 250 gallons of homebrew beer and/or wine.

No federal or state laws are broken. I would never break a law.

And it's the only damn thing the peanut farmer did that was good.

/johnny

36 posted on 06/01/2012 10:36:22 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You have broke a law. The law that says you must share with driftdiver.


37 posted on 06/01/2012 10:38:48 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: PastorBooks

I wouldn’t see if package properly it wouldn’t last as long as powder mild about 20 years.


38 posted on 06/01/2012 10:40:30 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: driftdiver
Negative. Law says I CAN share. Not that I MUST.

And I'm a mean old guy that doesn't play well with others sometimes. ;)

Bring meat, and ammo, and we'll talk. There may be an icy mug in the freezer for you.

/johnny

39 posted on 06/01/2012 10:43:50 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

Sign me up


40 posted on 06/01/2012 10:44:07 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: anonsquared

Those are amazing - what a great idea!

(Although the dork factor is strong in those)


41 posted on 06/01/2012 10:48:16 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: SuziQ

I’m all for pre-stocking meds, but the method of ordering refills as soon as the pharmacy will dispense them won’t always work. Some plans will count the doses dispensed over a period of time and then put a hold on the prescription. But it doesn’t hurt to try and one could accumulate a few weeks supply that way anyway.

I have been ordering cheap generics from overseas for this purpose. I do take them occasionally when I run out of the prescription and to test, and the only deficiency I’ve noticed is that the extended release mechanism is not quite as effective, but it could be a matter of these particular drugs/manufacturers. Recently ordered 600 doses of a drug for the same price as 50 cost at a local pharmacy. I have had good luck with the Indian pharmaceutical manufacturers.

Regardless of how you obtain them, Rare would it be that the usable shelf life is going to be less than five to ten years when stored in cool, dry conditions (except for known perishable stuff). Even rarer is a medication that actually becomes toxic past its usable life (e.g. tetracycline).

I took some some 12 year old hydrocodone a few weeks ago from an old dental prescription and it still worked, but maybe a little less potently. Many, many times I have taken prescription drugs five years old or so that still worked fine. Depending on the type of drug it might not be so easy to determine its potency, but in the vast majority of cases a few years cool storage will make next to no difference in efficacy.


42 posted on 06/01/2012 10:49:45 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Kartographer

“I myself added two 500 count bottles of acetaminophen and two 500 count bottles of ibuprofen...”

Acetaminophen (Tylenol is acetaminophen) is one of the leading causes of liver failure leading to transplants. Other causes are poison mushrooms, exposure to some solvents and Hepatitis C.

You might want to consider replacing the acetaminophen with aspirin...it is generally safer.


43 posted on 06/01/2012 10:51:25 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Kartographer
I was able to put away 40 - 500MG Amoxicillin caps.
I pay for all my medical services and drugs in cash. Dentist prescribed Amox and I asked if I could have a refill for my emergency kit. She laughed, said sure thing and marked the prescription for a refill. $4.99 at Costco. It's that easy.
44 posted on 06/01/2012 11:02:30 AM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I would also recommend any sort of antidepressants you can get.

Negative on that unless they are already being prescribed. Typical antidepressants (SSRIs; SNRIs) would take weeks to show much therapeutic benefit, and any improvement in mood is going to occur only if the brain's neurochemistry is deficient in the manner that the drug is designed to treat. Basically, a typical non-clinically depressed person is only going to see the side effects. Even worse are the withdrawal aide effects that can occur with abrupt, unsupervised cessation; these have put people into the ER (which if it is running at all will be busy with more pressing conditions).

When something really bad happens you are supposed to be depressed, and maybe shocked and angry. This is a normal reaction to situational factors. Trying to drug yourself into some kind of anesthesia instead of coping as best you can is not a good idea.

45 posted on 06/01/2012 11:04:15 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: chrisser

But you’ll be a dork who can see! :)


46 posted on 06/01/2012 11:06:48 AM PDT by anonsquared
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
You might want to consider replacing the acetaminophen with aspirin...it is generally safer.

That's hardly true and certainly not good advice if the acetaminophen is taken according to proper dosing instructions. I myself have experienced GI bleeding after just modest doses of NSAIDs. No one experiences significant side effects (or any at all?) following normal doses of Tylenol over a reasonable time regimen.

47 posted on 06/01/2012 11:10:16 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Kartographer

antibiotics, high blood pressure meds, etc.

alldaychemist.com


48 posted on 06/01/2012 11:10:55 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Here are two over the counter suggestions for your notion:

Benedryl is an antihistamine which will aids in drowsiness at 50 mg or higher dosage; vitamin D3 in 10,000 units per day dosage, daily, is an excellent means to stave off depression and increase a sense of well-being; D3 also speeds recovery when injured

Personally, I'm going to stock up the ibuprofen, too, because it is an excellent anti-inflammatory and pain medication, though it is more easy to overdose than folks might think.

49 posted on 06/01/2012 11:15:04 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: steve86; Harmless Teddy Bear

Bump that: BAD IDEA.

Going on or off antidepressants without doctor supervision is going to make a very bad situation much much worse. Until the patient gets settled on the drug at proper effective dosages (or off it completely), s/he’s prone to wild mood swings over _mundane_normality_ - doing it over extremely stressful situations will create yet another major liability.

But that is a reminder on the meds subject: if someone IS on antidepressants, and they run out cold turkey, be ready for an onslaught of extreme behavior (severe anxiety, depression, verbal or physical abusiveness, OCD, irrationality, obscenity, etc.) for a week or so, followed by a return to whatever state of mind which was bad enough to prompt prescription of antidepressants in the first place.


50 posted on 06/01/2012 11:23:26 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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